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Toto · 11-26-2002, 10:03 AM

This happened in a suburb just east of Los Angeles.

<a href="http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-pagan26nov26.story" target="_blank">To the Church, It Was a Case of 'Dirty Dancing'</a>

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With Chacon casting the tie-breaking vote, the board of Santa Anita Wesleyan Church in El Monte voted to close the after-school program, called Creative Planet.

Yoga, Chacon said, is a pagan practice and should be banned. Modern dance is also taboo.

"If these children are learning how to dance, it will be so easy for them when they get to be in any discotheque, because they will already know how to dance. And discotheques are not the best places.... In those places, the young people can get drugs and knowledge of things that do not edify them.

In addition, the children had sung a piece from Beethoven's Fidelio in German.

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The chorus the children sang, "O Welche Lust!" is from "Fidelio." The opera is set in a prison, and the chorus evokes the gratitude of prisoners briefly allowed outside their cells.

Rugh said church leaders misinterpreted the German lust as the English "lust." A translation of the opening lines gives a far different meaning:

"O welche lust!/ In freier Luft/Den Athem leicht zu heben" ... "Oh, what enjoyment/ to breathe the fresh air of heaven."

Tom Sawyer · 11-26-2002, 10:06 AM

Our hard earned tax dollars at work, ladies and gentlemen.

Toto · 11-26-2002, 10:09 AM

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Originally posted by peteyh:
<strong>Our hard earned tax dollars at work, ladies and gentlemen.</strong>

This is not a goverment funded program - yet. It appears to have been financed with donations from the Hollywood set.

But it could be - if Bush manages to push his faith based initiative far enough, pastors like this could control a lot of after school programs.

Tom Sawyer · 11-26-2002, 10:14 AM

My bad. I misread the article and thought it was a school board and not a church board.

Still, with the whole tax-exempt scam, it's all being funded with our tax dollars.

Albion · 11-26-2002, 10:32 AM

Wonder if they have the Harry Potter books in their library.

wildernesse · 11-26-2002, 02:17 PM

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Still, with the whole tax-exempt scam, it's all being funded with our tax dollars.

People who donate money to their church (or other non-profit org) have already paid taxes on that money. People who work for non-profit orgs (including churches) must pay income tax. Church members who send their children to church school still pay property taxes which goes in many places to public schools.

Please inform me how a church is supported with your tax dollars? What percent of a church's budget comes from the government? How much of your tax money goes to non-profit orgs and of those how much of it goes to relgious orgs?

--tibac

Toto · 11-26-2002, 03:38 PM

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Originally posted by wildernesse:
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People who donate money to their church (or other non-profit org) have already paid taxes on that money. People who work for non-profit orgs (including churches) must pay income tax. . . .</strong>

If people pay taxes on the money they donate to their church, they are missing out on a legal tax deduction.

Ministers employed by churches pay income taxes, but they are allowed some astounding deductions that no other person gets (a "housing allowance").

If you are concerned about this, there have been threads in the Church State Separation forum. It wasn't intended to be the subject of this thread.

hinduwoman · 11-26-2002, 05:24 PM

I read a report that in one English church yoga was being taught in the evenings; the pastor decided it was a Satanic practice and so stopped it.
How easy iis it to corrupt christians!

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Tom Sawyer Talk Freethought Staff Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Toronto, eh Posts: 42,293	Our hard earned tax dollars at work, ladies and gentlemen.

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Albion Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: US east coast. And www.theroyalforums.com Posts: 2,829	Wonder if they have the Harry Potter books in their library.

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hinduwoman Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: India Posts: 6,977	I read a report that in one English church yoga was being taught in the evenings; the pastor decided it was a Satanic practice and so stopped it. How easy iis it to corrupt christians!

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