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sophie · 07-25-2003, 02:25 PM

Why did GOD forget to give Moses the eleventh commandment?

Thou shalt not slave.

yguy · 07-25-2003, 03:16 PM

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Originally posted by sophie
Why did GOD forget to give Moses the eleventh commandment?

Thou shalt not slave.

I suggest it is implicit in the first commandment, as one who follows God unerringly cannot be enslaved, nor does he enslave - as demonstrated by the example of Christ.

Autonemesis · 07-25-2003, 03:29 PM

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Originally posted by yguy
I suggest it is implicit in the first commandment, as one who follows God unerringly cannot be enslaved, nor does he enslave - as demonstrated by the example of Christ.

Your suggestion is not the actual word of god, or a substitute for the text actually in the bible, is it?

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Deuteronomy 20:10-17
"When you draw near a city to fight against it, offer terms of peace to it. And if its answer to you is peace and it opens to you, then all the people who are found in it shall do forced labour for you and shall serve you. But if it makes no peace with you, but makes war against you, then you shall besiege it; and when the Lord your God gives it into your hand you shall put all its male to the sword, but the women and the little ones, the cattle, and everything else in the city, all its spoil, you shall take as booty for yourself; and you shall enjoy the spoil of your enemy, which the Lord God has given to you. Thus you shall do to all the cities which are far from you, which are not cities of the nations here. In the cities of these people that the Lord your God gives you an inheritance, you shall save alive nothing that breathes but you shall utterly destroy them, the Hittites and the Amoriotes, the Canaanites and the Jebusites, as the Lord your God has commanded."

God commanded the Israelites to enslave the cities that made peace with Israel. Once again, you don't even know what is in that book of yours.

Mageth · 07-25-2003, 03:33 PM

I thought the eleventh commandment had something to do with boiling a kid in its mother's milk?

Seriosly, I agree. Contrary to yguy's shaky assertion, there is not much in the Bible on which to consider slavery immoral, and what's there has to be derived as it is not clearly stated. I would say it's the opposite, actually; both old and new testaments talk about how to treat slaves, but neither condemns slavery outright.

sophie · 07-25-2003, 03:34 PM

yguy : as one who follows God unerringly cannot be enslaved, nor does he enslave

anyone : as one who follows God unerringly cannot be killed, nor does he kill.

anyone: as one who follows God unerringly cannot be stolen, nor does he steal.

anyone : as one who follows God unerringly cannot be coveted, nor does he covet.

I cannot accept this as a valid answer.

yguy · 07-25-2003, 03:37 PM

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Originally posted by Autonemesis
God commanded the Israelites to enslave the cities that made peace with Israel. Once again, you don't even know what is in that book of yours.

Most likely those cities were full of slaves to begin with, and could no more have lived under freedom than blacks could have when they first came here, having been not sold into slavery, but born slaves.

yguy · 07-25-2003, 03:40 PM

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Originally posted by sophie
yguy : as one who follows God unerringly cannot be enslaved, nor does he enslave

anyone : as one who follows God unerringly cannot be killed, nor does he kill.

anyone: as one who follows God unerringly cannot be stolen, nor does he steal.

anyone : as one who follows God unerringly cannot be coveted, nor does he covet.

I cannot accept this as a valid answer.

Binary thinking won't cut it here, babe.

sophie · 07-25-2003, 03:44 PM

Autonemesis, about your excerpt from Deuteronomy 20:10-17 : then all the people who are found in it shall do forced labour for you and shall serve you

I would have a problem to accept the full text as dictated by a GOD. By god the GODS should have been smarter.

To me it is a bit ironic that the black slaves who took to the worship of a GOD so ferverently to save themselves from their daily f'ery, had no direct salvation from the bible. I think the faith of the blacks in the invisible GOD must have been strong enough to counteract this lack of due consideration for humanity as a whole.

sophie · 07-25-2003, 03:47 PM

yguy, when you say binary thinking won't cut it here, do you mean religion is not so black and white as a cheapo like me would have it.

yguy · 07-25-2003, 04:06 PM

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Originally posted by sophie
yguy, when you say binary thinking won't cut it here, do you mean religion is not so black and white as a cheapo like me would have it.

I would't put it that way exactly. It's like you broke down my statements, compared them to yours, and logically equated them because noun matched noun, verb matched verb, etc.

For instance:

"anyone : as one who follows God unerringly cannot be coveted, nor does he covet."

Being coveted is not equivalent to being enslaved, because you can be coveted by another without ever knowing it.

07-25-2003, 02:25 PM	#1
sophie Veteran Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: On the road to extinction. . . Posts: 1,485	The Eleventh Commandment Why did GOD forget to give Moses the eleventh commandment? Thou shalt not slave.

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sophie Veteran Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: On the road to extinction. . . Posts: 1,485	slaving yguy : as one who follows God unerringly cannot be enslaved, nor does he enslave anyone : as one who follows God unerringly cannot be killed, nor does he kill. anyone: as one who follows God unerringly cannot be stolen, nor does he steal. anyone : as one who follows God unerringly cannot be coveted, nor does he covet. I cannot accept this as a valid answer.

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sophie Veteran Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: On the road to extinction. . . Posts: 1,485	this religion stuff yguy, when you say binary thinking won't cut it here, do you mean religion is not so black and white as a cheapo like me would have it.

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Mageth Contributor Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Deep in the heart of mother-lovin' Texas Posts: 29,689	I thought the eleventh commandment had something to do with boiling a kid in its mother's milk? Seriosly, I agree. Contrary to yguy's shaky assertion, there is not much in the Bible on which to consider slavery immoral, and what's there has to be derived as it is not clearly stated. I would say it's the opposite, actually; both old and new testaments talk about how to treat slaves, but neither condemns slavery outright.

07-25-2003, 03:44 PM	#8
sophie Veteran Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: On the road to extinction. . . Posts: 1,485	Autonemesis, about your excerpt from Deuteronomy 20:10-17 : then all the people who are found in it shall do forced labour for you and shall serve you I would have a problem to accept the full text as dictated by a GOD. By god the GODS should have been smarter. To me it is a bit ironic that the black slaves who took to the worship of a GOD so ferverently to save themselves from their daily f'ery, had no direct salvation from the bible. I think the faith of the blacks in the invisible GOD must have been strong enough to counteract this lack of due consideration for humanity as a whole.

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