Baidarka

Please excuse my ignorance I am new to the subject of mythical delusionism.
I am beginning to realize that there are several varieties of Creationists.
Maybe some of you could help me by identifying the various creationist types.
It seems that there are young earth creationists who figure the age of the earth from the biblical begots.
There are old earth creationists who say that the Genesis 7 days may be longer than our present days( I guess they think that a Biblical day might last a billion years or so).
There seems to be some creationists who believe in micro but not macro evolution.
There seems to be an issue about original created types and degeneration from the original types(sounds like fodder for the KKK)
I must say that I am very confused by all this.
How does one determine which kind of creationist one is dealing with?

Duvenoy

"I must say that I am very confused by all this.
How does one determine which kind of creationist one is dealing with?"

"All religon is confusing. It's what keeps priests in busines." - The Last Toumb, I've forgotten the author.

Your grasp of the situation seems ok as far as it goes. Of course, there are various, smaller cults who believe stuff like creation of people by visiting aliens, and so forth. And there are some very rabid Christians/Jews/Muslims who are downright frightening in their 'think as I do, or else' approach. Fortunatly, these last are merely small pockets of insanity. Most Creationists are just folks with a mind-set, like most of my neighbors.

I'd suggest just riding along on some of these threads. In the fullness of time, all will be revealed.

Luck,

d

Quetzal

Badairka: You've set yourself a truly puzzling conundrum. My personal take is that you can put two creationists in a room and you'll get three different things they "disbelieve" about evolution. Once you get it all sorted out, let the rest of us know, okay?

In the meantime, <a href="http://rtis.com/nat/user/elsberry/evobio/evc/ea.html" target="_blank">Wesley Elsberry</a> has put together a pretty fair "rule of thumb" classification system. I'm not saying I agree with him completely, but it's a pretty good start. Just remember for every category he puts down, there's a shading gradation.

Duvenoy

Interesting site, Mropho.

I might sugest a trip through talk.origins. Should gave thought of it sooner. It'e early in the morning and I haven't had anything like enough coffee, yet.

<a href="http://www.talkorigins.org/" target="_blank">http://www.talkorigins.org/</a>

d

Duvenoy

(Ol’ Doov is now well and truly coffeed, and wired to fly...)

Here’s something from the Skeptic’s Dictionary:

Creationism is a religious "metaphysics.html" theory which claims that a supernatural being created the universe. Creation Science is a "pseudosc.html" theory which claims that (a) the stories in Genesis are accurate accounts of the origin of the universe and life on Earth, and (b) Genesis is incompatible with the Big Bang theory and the theory of evolution. “Creation Science” is an oxymoron since "science.html" is concerned only with "naturalism.html" explanations of "empiricism.html" phenomena and does not concern itself with supernatural explanations of metaphysical phenomena.

The whole article can be found at:

<a href="http://skepdic.com/creation.html" target="_blank">http://skepdic.com/creation.html</a>

“The birth of reason is the death of faith.” Dunno who said that.

d

Secular Pinoy

Here are some of the best sites for reading the different virulent strains of cretinism:

<a href="http://www.ncseweb.org/resources/articles/1593_the_creationevolution_continu_12_7_2000.asp" target="_blank">http://www.ncseweb.org/resources/articles/1593_the_creationevolution_continu_12_7_2000.asp</a>

<a href="http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/wic.html" target="_blank">http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/wic.html</a>

Grumpy

As an aside, I'll note that I've seen that spectrum described as a full circle. At least, I've seen people equate materialist evolutionists with Flat Earthers. Because they deny the completely obvious, you see (the obvious being the hand of god in evolution).

Jayman

Don't forget the Christians who don't interpret Genesis 1-11 literally, but still believe in a Creator. They just don't know how God created things.

Queen of Swords

What the heck is an "Evolutionary Creationist"?

Neither fish nor fowl nor good red herring.

lpetrich

And let us not forget about the supporters of NOMA (Stephen Jay Gould's Non-Overlapping Magisteria). Who claim that science and religion are are separate but equally valid domains.

One of the first to state this view was Galileo (yes, that famous martyr), who stated that the Bible tells us how to go to heaven, not how the heavens go.

May not seem like a very reasonable viewpoint to us, but it does exist.