caravelair

excellent. thanks. i'd still like some help with the hydrostatic pressure equation though. anyone familiar with it?

Mageth

The pressure's relatively easy. For every 33 feet, add one atmosphere (14.7 psi).

caravelair

it's linear? really? how convenient!

caravelair

so it's more than 4400psi extra pressure. and of course coral couldn't survive that, since otherwise we would see coral 10,000ft down, and we don't.

Mageth

What else created it?

Whatever "created" it, if it was indeed "created", it didn't create itself. That's a logical impossibility.

Or i guess you are playing word games, and mean it already existed?

No, not playing word games. Just pointing out your poor choice of words which pretty much equates to a strawman, as no one claims the universe or life "created itself."

Abiogenesis still reaches odds so high its rediculous to even think its possibility.

A little lesson in statistics here, Magus. Does life exist on earth? Yes. Thus, the "odds" of life having at one time originated on earth are 1.0, whether it got here by abiogenesis or by special creation.

Beyond that, you're just regurgitating statistical nonsense you heard somewhere else. You show me your evidence (bible don't count) that life was specially created and I'll show you mine for abiogenesis.

( oh but of course, since talkorigins says its feasible - it must be true?).

I haven't read whatever talkorigins reference you might be referring to, whatever it is. There's other sources of information out there, you know. But your take appears to be "since the bible says so, it must be true". So I don't see why you'd make such a statement.

Anyways, I'll trust the science on talkorigins over the "science" of the bible any day of the week.

caravelair

wait a second though, i would like to know about some of the deepest living species too though. because while it's quite impossible for noah to have taken coral aboard the boat, it's at least imaginable, but the point of my argument was supposed to be that this one specific biome could not exist today had the flood happened, since it is even less believable that noah was capable of travelling to the bottom of the ocean and maintaining such an environment on the ship for a year. so does anyone know about some deep sea life i could use as an example?

caravelair

Abiogenesis still reaches odds so high its rediculous to even think its possibility.

read this:

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/abioprob/abioprob.html

( oh but of course, since talkorigins says its feasible - it must be true?).

it doesn't matter who said it. if it's true it's true. look at the arguments, not who's making them.

Magus55

Also another point to add that has been theorized, is the earth's topography wasn't always how it is now. Before the flood, the ocean floor wasn't as deep, nor were the moutains as high ( bible speaks of high hills, not mountains - Everest wasn't anywhere near as high as it was now). The plate tectonics theory of the flood is stated, that underground water foutains ( like volcanoes and springs) erupted violently, and caused the ocean floor to rise thousands of feet, and the waters the erupted from the ocean flood spilled over onto the continents. This fits in with the biblical verse on the "breaking of the fountains of the great deep".

Therefore, with mountains not being nearly as high as they are today, and the ocean floor rising - with water coming from the ocean floor erupting and constant rain - the figures about it having to rain like 300 feet per hour isn't necessary, because the waters didn't cover as much as you'd think.

When the floods ended, its believed that God put boundaries around the waters and lowered the ocean floor. That would explain why there is so much water in the ocean now, and why its so deep - as well as where seas and lakes came from. ( Mariana's trench could have acted like a drain - where tons of the excess water filled it up, and thats why its so deep - although thats my guess )

Here are some sites explaining this:

http://www.christiananswers.net/q-aig/aig-c010.html

http://www.christiananswers.net/q-ai...loodwater.html

Also, since sea life, some flying species, and some insects weren't on the ark, there were probably alot of species that went extinct during the flood. Many land plant seeds could have survived being soaked for so long, and others were fossilized ( which is seen in flood layer sediment), the rest of the destroyed plants is believed to be where all the oil came from.

Here is an explanation of how species could have separated after the flood to bring about all the species we have now ( note: not evolution in sense of new genetic information).

http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs/1332.asp

And of course there is the theory that the Grand Canyon was caused by the Noah flood.

http://www.answersingenesis.org/home...randcanyon.asp

In summary. The Noah flood isn't as far fetched as most people believe. With the earth's topography being much different than today, including shallower oceans and lower moutains, and then the effects of catastrophic plate tectonic activity raising and lowering the ocean floors and altering the land, while sediment wasn't yet hardened or consolidated - its much more feasible than most skeptics think.

Yes it was still a catatrophe, but it becomes possible when you look at it in depth.

Magus55

And why its impossible:

http://www.trueorigin.org/abio.asp

Atheists/Evolutions except talk origins, i accept true origins explanation. We may never know who is right.

Demigawd

Anything's possible when you subscribe to Magical Thinking (tm). Why relie on evidence when you have unlimited imagination?