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beth · 07-17-2003, 12:25 PM

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Originally posted by fatherphil
life of mother wins out over life of baby. if only that were the only reason abortions were being done.

doomed to failure i think because i don't think a foolproof form of cotraception has come up and apparently even standard sterilization is not 100% fool proof.

I understand, it isn't 100%, but society as a whole having more responsible sexual relationships would reduce the incidence of unplanned pregnancy. I know women who have for or five kids by my age...I also know one woman who has eight kids at twenty- eight. She really doesn't want more kids, but she doesn't practice responsible birth control methods.

I also understand that sterilization isn't full proof, but it is effective and only a very small percentage of men or women are able to produce children after sterilization.

fatherphil · 07-17-2003, 12:40 PM

so then, what am i to do with the child we may be expecting after my wife's tubes came untied? i really don't want to raise another baby.

brighid · 07-17-2003, 12:46 PM

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roland, aside from no intercourse i think any contraception is doomed to failure because of our relentless testing of the system. in otherwords, sooner or later a baby will result in our constant sexual activity and that baby will be unwanted or unplanned. the challenge it seems is to change the parents perception of appropriate reactions to such an occurance. there was a time when aborting that child was thought to be reprehensible and there was a time when aborting that child was thoght to be routine (did you ever see fast times at ridgemont high"?). i think we need to shift the perception.

Well, I have been having intercourse for 10 years (since the birth of my son) using various methods of birth control. I have had a total of ONE scare (after switching pills). I don't know of anyone who thinks abortion is "routine." It is an acceptable action to an unwanted pregnancy, but it certainly isn't routine. The perception doesn't need to be shifted from something it is not.

B

fatherphil · 07-17-2003, 12:50 PM

i'd like to see it shifted away from being "an acceptable action to an unwanted pregnancy".

brighid · 07-17-2003, 12:56 PM

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so then, what am i to do with the child we may be expecting after my wife's tubes came untied? i really don't want to raise another baby.

Get a vasectomy before that happens, use methods of BC, or give the child up for adoption if abortion is not an option for you. It is very unlikely that her tubes would come untied without surgical assitance. Once she hits menopause you won't have anything to worry about.

B

brighid · 07-17-2003, 12:57 PM

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i'd like to see it shifted away from being "an acceptable action to an unwanted pregnancy".

Why?

Brighid

fatherphil · 07-17-2003, 12:59 PM

my options are:

1) raise the child

2) abandon my family

as a man, i do not have the option to abort it if i wanted to, does that not seem unfair?

fatherphil · 07-17-2003, 01:02 PM

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Originally posted by brighid
Why?

Brighid

because, like half the folks who responded to this poll, i think that the unborn fetus should be protected from harm.

Daleth · 07-17-2003, 01:03 PM

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Originally posted by fatherphil
my options are:

1) raise the child

2) abandon my family

as a man, i do not have the option to abort it if i wanted to, does that not seem unfair?

You have a choice in adoption. If she wants to put the child up for adoption and you want to raise it, she has 2 choices: raise the child or abandon her family. The only thing you don't get to choose is abortion or not, because it's not using your body for those 9 months. Does that seem fair?

brighid · 07-17-2003, 01:07 PM

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as a man, i do not have the option to abort it if i wanted to, does that not seem unfair?

No.

You have the option to use birth control (condoms) and get a vasectomy to make pretty darn sure that your wife won't get pregnant with another child. You could also abstain from sex for the rest of your life for the 100% sure, fool-proof way of making sure you don't have to worry about that choice now couldn't you?

You could certainly leave your pregnant partner, as many men do.

Now to use the pro-life argument on you: if you got your wife pregnant when you did not want a child too bad for you. You were irresponsible and negligent and therefore should be burdened with the care of the child for the rest of its natural life. We won't help you and we won't have any sympathy for you.

Brighid

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07-17-2003, 12:40 PM	#72
fatherphil Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: burbank Posts: 758	so then, what am i to do with the child we may be expecting after my wife's tubes came untied? i really don't want to raise another baby.

07-17-2003, 12:50 PM	#74
fatherphil Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: burbank Posts: 758	i'd like to see it shifted away from being "an acceptable action to an unwanted pregnancy".

07-17-2003, 12:59 PM	#77
fatherphil Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: burbank Posts: 758	my options are: 1) raise the child 2) abandon my family as a man, i do not have the option to abort it if i wanted to, does that not seem unfair?

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