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kwigibo · 02-09-2002, 03:11 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by HelenSL:


kwigibo, why not say "if you don't want to know something, fine, that's your choice"?

Don't you think 'problem' is a little judgemental?

Am I wrong not to want to know about what's on all the sites I get solicited to visit, in junk e-mail? I am just not interested, that's all.

love
Helen

no, i don't think it's judgemental in the context i intended, ie; intentional ignorance. but u are right, ignorance is bliss

no, you're not wrong in avoiding spam, you just take it on instinct that there is no knowledge to be gleaned from that e-mail excrement.

P.S. i actually debated saying choice or problem in my head, i decided that provocative was the way to go, i don't like being ignored (not that you're ever guilty of that).

weird

HelenM · 02-09-2002, 03:27 AM

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Originally posted by kwigibo:
P.S. i actually debated saying choice or problem in my head, i decided that provocative was the way to go.

You did, huh? Well, I can't relate to that at all...

Seriously though, what impresses me as much as anything is a person who can figure out how to be provocative without being insulting.

It's easy to be provocative if you're allowed to use insults

Quote:

Originally posted by Photocrat:
Of course, seeing as I'm a Christian, I don't need to explain it all away :]

Photocrat, are you getting confused which 'side' you are on?

(Something else I can't relate to, of course...

)

love
Helen

kwigibo · 02-09-2002, 03:33 AM

i wasn't being insulting was i?

02-09-2002, 11:40 AM

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Originally posted by BLoggins02:


I find it interesting that those who speak in tongues never use phonemes outside their native language.

That is because the stream of phonemes flow over the dam without the induction of reason at the adamsapple. Glossolalia is just non-rational speach.

Perry H · 02-09-2002, 12:11 PM

HelenSL:

"Anyway all some of them would do is tell you that the Bible says, blah blah blah and so you are wrong. You can fill in the blanks yourself..."

true true, I guess i'm just in a league of my own, hehe.

"Well, maybe God has some deep meaning in it. What do you think that could be? Do you think He enjoys communicating in ways which are rather ambiguous and hard to understand? For the sake of my own mental health I have abandoned looking for meaning in such things (I am not kidding, in fact)."

Yeah, I know what you mean about trying to find hidden meaning. Sometimes I just like to respect the unknown and leave it at that. What's you're background? Have you ever seen weird supernatural stuff or is this all new to you?

Perry

HelenM · 02-09-2002, 12:42 PM

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Originally posted by Perry H:
HelenSL:

"Anyway all some of them would do is tell you that the Bible says, blah blah blah and so you are wrong. You can fill in the blanks yourself..."

true true, I guess i'm just in a league of my own, hehe.

Oh, not necessarily. All types seem to show up here

But definitely there's a contingent like I said

"Well, maybe God has some deep meaning in it. What do you think that could be? Do you think He enjoys communicating in ways which are rather ambiguous and hard to understand? For the sake of my own mental health I have abandoned looking for meaning in such things (I am not kidding, in fact)."

Yeah, I know what you mean about trying to find hidden meaning. Sometimes I just like to respect the unknown and leave it at that. What's you're background? Have you ever seen weird supernatural stuff or is this all new to you?

I think it's all on my <a href="http://home.att.net/~shmildenhall/updates/update.html" target="_blank">website</a> somewhere, actually.

I was saved at 10:15 p.m. on October 28, 1984 - a time when I prayed by myself acknowledging Jesus' death on the cross for my sins, giving control of my life to the LORD, asking Jesus into my heart - well, you know I suppose...

- and I currently am a member of <a href="http://www.calvarymemorial.com/" target="_blank">this church</a> which would be described around here, as a 'fundie' church, for sure

So, it's not new to me, no.

Have I seen weird stuff? Definitely and especially when I was mentally ill *sigh*

. Doesn't mean you are; I'm just saying...so, do miracles happen? Maybe; who knows; God knows

love
Helen

BLoggins02 · 02-09-2002, 04:41 PM

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That is because the stream of phonemes flow over the dam without the induction of reason at the adamsapple. Glossolalia is just non-rational speach.

You're right, it's non-rational speech. Translation: utter nonsense.

And I'm sorry, but reason isn't "induced" at the adam's apple.

Amos, I think you're rather like "Guy on the couch" from the movie Half-Baked, only not quite as wise or coherent.

Photocrat · 02-09-2002, 07:28 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by kwigibo:


well it's a start i guess, but you probably shouldn't take it on his word that the knob actually moved. I think that would do more to improve our opinion of your skepticism.

It's not properly skeptical to propose an "explanation" which is totally ad hoc, nor is it reasonable to beg the question as to saying "it therefore didn't happen" ...

But yes, the onus is on him to provide evidence of it; it's probably not well documented, either, given that it's apparently just a personal testamony. That's why I prefer the better documented things, at least...

Believe it or not, I'm honest with myself about such things as these--I don't believe that it must always be so just because someone said so; it's just that I have no blind faith in skepticism, as you might say ;]

Photocrat · 02-09-2002, 07:31 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by HelenSL:


Photocrat, are you getting confused which 'side' you are on?

(Something else I can't relate to, of course...

)

love
Helen

I'm on the side of the truth; where I've always been, Helen :] I'm not, as some skeptics sometimes seem to suppose, another Eusebius :]

For some skeptics, a rational Christian seems to pose as much a threat to their un-faith. It is therefore logical of me to attempt to demonstrate that I am, in fact, rational :]

[ February 09, 2002: Message edited by: Photocrat ]

Perry H · 02-09-2002, 08:20 PM

Dang it, I just posted a long message and it didn't go through.

Helen: You sound like an open minded christian like myself. I thought of something to say to holier than thou christians "Are you a Christian from your fear from Hell or you're love of the Lord?" Maybe you witnessed supernatural things when mentally ill because your brain was at a different state. Dr. Morse who studies Near Death Experiences thinks there's a part of the brain that is specially for communication with God. Maybe that part of the brain was being overly used. Whether it's true or not is a whole different story.

Here's his website:
<a href="http://www.melvinmorse.com" target="_blank">http://www.melvinmorse.com</a>

and another on nde's:
<a href="http://www.near-death.com" target="_blank">http://www.near-death.com</a>

Aetheists believe nde's are a hallucination, conservative christians think they are from the devil, liberal chritians usually think they are from God. So in other words, God either doesn't exist, is really strict, or is really leanient. We'll see when we die I guess.

Perry

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kwigibo Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Gold Coast, QLD, Australia Posts: 5,814	i wasn't being insulting was i?

02-09-2002, 12:11 PM	#35
Perry H Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Milwaukee, WI Posts: 11	HelenSL: "Anyway all some of them would do is tell you that the Bible says, blah blah blah and so you are wrong. You can fill in the blanks yourself..." true true, I guess i'm just in a league of my own, hehe. "Well, maybe God has some deep meaning in it. What do you think that could be? Do you think He enjoys communicating in ways which are rather ambiguous and hard to understand? For the sake of my own mental health I have abandoned looking for meaning in such things (I am not kidding, in fact)." Yeah, I know what you mean about trying to find hidden meaning. Sometimes I just like to respect the unknown and leave it at that. What's you're background? Have you ever seen weird supernatural stuff or is this all new to you? Perry

02-09-2002, 08:20 PM	#40
Perry H Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Milwaukee, WI Posts: 11	Dang it, I just posted a long message and it didn't go through. Helen: You sound like an open minded christian like myself. I thought of something to say to holier than thou christians "Are you a Christian from your fear from Hell or you're love of the Lord?" Maybe you witnessed supernatural things when mentally ill because your brain was at a different state. Dr. Morse who studies Near Death Experiences thinks there's a part of the brain that is specially for communication with God. Maybe that part of the brain was being overly used. Whether it's true or not is a whole different story. Here's his website: <a href="http://www.melvinmorse.com" target="_blank">http://www.melvinmorse.com</a> and another on nde's: <a href="http://www.near-death.com" target="_blank">http://www.near-death.com</a> Aetheists believe nde's are a hallucination, conservative christians think they are from the devil, liberal chritians usually think they are from God. So in other words, God either doesn't exist, is really strict, or is really leanient. We'll see when we die I guess. Perry

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