Vinnie

http://www.acfaith.com/biblicalerrancy.html

That first slide is getting axed. That is just the design template. It requires flash and is best under a 1024 x 768 desk setting.

I'm thinking of doing about 10 total slides or maybe more and I want some opinions. Those interested in offering their input can answer the following:

What is the worst immorality and most obvious error in the Bible IYO?

I'm going to start the first slide with some commentary on the 10th Plague of Egpyt. Thats the one where the all-loving God murders helpless and innocent children on account of their father's disobedience

Vinnie

Llyricist

Not even THEIR father's disobedience, but the pharoah's disobedience. Which Jehovah hiumself caused by "hardening his heart"

Which by the way YHVH did 10 times in a row

Magus55

erm, I thought you were Christian?

WinAce

Don't mind Vinnie, Magus55 - he's just a hellbound liberal seeking to tear down your cherished beliefs.

Vinnie

I am but not one who thinks the Bible should dictate our morals as other Christians do. It plays a part but not an infallible or inerrant one for sure. This series is more for those who use the bible to justify their anti-homosexuality attitude, the supression of women, viewing sex as something evil (sure this last one is a slight caricature but that is how outsiders see it) and a host of other strange things. Its a counter page that will come in handy when dealing with certain theists.




I prefer to call it "pointing out the overly obvious"

Vinnie

Vinnie

and being ostracized from all the Christian communities I was a part of due to my increasingly liberal views is causing me not to hold back on certain issues like this anymore. I had some restraint before in not pushing lots of this stuff before but now the guns are coming out and no thinking and open-minded fundamentalist (oxymoron?) or evangelical will be safe!

Vinnie

mark9950

It is about time a liberal christian tells the truth of what the bible really says,not what christians want it to say by semantic acrobatics.

missus_gumby

Hi Vinnie, I'd like to offer an obvious error, but one that doesn't come up too often.

In John 7:38, Jesus quotes non-existent scripture:

KJV 7:38 "He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water."

Does this qualify?

Martin

Tercel

Oxymoron? Probably. Although... now I think about it... I was once a fundamentalist. (Yes, really! ) Though I suppose it was really more a "default" position adopted until I knew more: Which now, of course, I do, and hence aren't a fundamentalist.

Vinnie, I must say though, that I am somewhat concerned that you're going about this badly. I have struggled with this issue for a couple of years now: I was a liberal, but all my friends are fundamentalists. I took to heart the passage in Romans 14: Do not make your brothers fall - if they have weak faith accept them, don't destroy it. My own period of searching for the truth was very difficult - it is very hard not knowing what to believe. I didn't want to put any of my friends through that who didn't sincerely want to know the real truth - what if, in the process, they lost their faith completely? And so far they all seem perfectly happy in their faith, so why should I upset that?

Now, I can accept that on the internet it is different - if people weren't interested in searching for the truth, they probably wouldn't be here in the first place: So I have much less of a problem with evangelising Evangelicals here. My concern about your site is therefore somewhat different: You seem to be only shooting down their current beliefs and not giving them much to believe in return. You're not actively offering them much to replace their current beliefs with, merely trying to shoot down the parts of their current beliefs you disagree with. I see you do have a few positive articles, but the percentage of your site that is negative waaay outweighs that which is positive. The danger with this is twofold: 1. I suspect you'll find it way more difficult to convince people to abandon their current beliefs without giving them something very clear and substantial to put in their place. 2. You're in danger of killing their faith completely rather than just the bits you want.

BTW, you may be interested to know I've finally fallen off my Liberal Protestant/East Orthodox fence on the side of Orthodoxy - not that there's really much difference between them IMO. It features real Christian theology backed up by real theologians through the centuries and lacks all of the Evangelical idiocies. My seven summary reasons why Orthodoxy is better that Evangelicalism:
1. Salvation by nature (ie "good person" aka "righteous"), not belief.
2. Atonement by union (at-one-ment), not judicial paradigm.
3. Heaven/Hell results of own heart not God's arbitrary judgement.
4. An insightful understanding of the final condition of the saved (Deification) and a proper understanding of our current condition (no Original Guilt).
5. No stupid inerrancy.
6. No stupid sola scriptura - a logical view of the foundation of doctrine instead, and the history to back up the claims of Church authority.
7. Icons (ie images in churches) not banned.

Asha'man

The OT is full of immorality committed by God, but I'd count Exodus as probably the worst.

As for the most obvious error, I'd vote for the conflicting (and meaningless) genealogies of Joseph.