River

no...I've aggressively dealt with Hinduwomen in the past. I have a good idea about how she "sets up her post". If you want you can do a search and check out Hinduwoman's previous pattern /history of posts.

River

I was actually discussing semantics....well, I know who " Mitochondrial Eve" of S. Africa is..

Magus55

What difference does that make? It still has verses directly from the Quran and Hadith about the abuse of women in Islam.

Xeno

One unfortunate consequnce of damning a concept based on it's history is that you have found a new enemy in yourself in mankind.

meritocrat

I find it comical that one person here can advocate oppression within a society yet also seeks to denounce oppression within others.

Silent Acorns

The Greeks knew the earth was round centuries before Muhammed was born, so obviously this is not true.

The primary contibution of Islam to science was that while the Christian Churches were destroying Roman and Greek texts because they were "Paegan", Islamic leaders maintained the libraries and encouraged scholarship. Not all Islamic leaders did this though. Some destroyed these works for being either superfluous (i.e. they were consistant with the Quran) or heretical (i.e. they were inconsistent with the Quran).

Advances in the Islamic Era in areas such as algebra and optics, however, were not "Islamic contibutions to science". At least not any more so than the discoveries of Newton were "Christian contibutions to science".

<edit: Sorry, I thought this was a one page thread. This was already addressed on page 2. Just blame it on my zeal to get to 500 posts>

hinduwoman

Rivers, your idea of aggressively answering me is to post that Muhammad is predicted in vedas. My pattern is to show he is not. I suppose compared with the usual answers given by Muslims that is sweet of you really, but it does not tackle the essential problem.

If the Koran had become just another book, no one would havbe bothered. But the problem is there are people who take all the verses literally and set out enthusiastically to fulfill them. The morals of Koran are rooted in 7th century tribal culture; it is not suitable for building a rational equal society.

Some little titbits to think about:
The Bali bomber smiled even after hearing his death sentence. He was thinking of the joys of neverending drink and sex that will be his now --- and that is the danger of literal Islam.
Did you know that in so called civilized Austria a muslim girl who converted to Christianity has been sentenced to death by her own parents and she has run away to Germany for refuge? http://washingtontimes.com/upi-break...4948-5617r.htm

http://www.web.mid-day.com/news/worl...pril/50094.htm
It is no use saying they are not real Muslims; they are here and we have to deal with them.

Islam as it is today do not allow any ignoring or reinterpretation and builds up a feeling of persecution anywhere Muslims are not in control
http://www.secularindia.com/mobilisi...an_muslims.htm
Muslim organizations in India last year demanded that age of marriage for Muslim girls be lowered to 12, if not younger. Quiet a few Muslims protested, unfortunately they were more or less apostates. The moderate Muslims who would like to be both modern and keep their faith are in a quandary. If they protest the orthodox simply ask if they think Muhammad who consummated his marriage with Ayesha when she was nine, did wrong. If you admit the Prophet did wrong, then the whole fabric collapses. So they keep shut.
Islamic communities that are poor and backwards are persuaded by their leaders that they are suffering because they are not practising real Islam. So they try to return to fundamentals which compound the problem.

queser

Which branch of Hinduism you think is suited for building a rational equal society?

Which Cast would rule?

hinduwoman

Queser are you now aggressively taking up cudgels on behalf of Rivers? or was it genuine curiosity?

The carvakas/lokayata branch would do admirably for building up a rational society since they were materialists and sceptics, a la iidb board.
Hinduism does not only have to be about caste. Castes are just functional divisions of society that got mixed up with religion. So the caste that got ahead would rule depending on what kind of society we create.

queser

I am curious, since I have been to India and found that most Hindus dont have a clue why they do what they do.

Also found that they say there are 36000 gods and they even have a rat temple and monkey gods.

Also I have noted that many socalled "untouchables" the lowest caste females really work under horrid conditions and they have no way of getting out of that position since the Hindu way says castes dont mix.

Aslo I met a few women( muslim and Hindu ) there who have had abortions once they discovered they were pregnant with female. They say its because it is very expensive to marry off your daughters , so they rather kill the unborn girls.

In my questions there I discoverd that women paying for the husband is age old Hindu tradition that now also some of the Muslims follow.

What can you tell me about this?



I am just curious what type of Hindu are You?