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hinduwoman · 06-11-2003, 08:07 PM

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Originally posted by Evangelion
The point that the OP fails to address, of course, is that this sort of violence is not "religious" as such. It is, in fact, based upon social mores, not religious prohibitions.

India and Pakistan are both infamous for their institional prejudice - particularly against women. We must expect this. They are backward, 3rd World nations with a backward, 3rd World outlook. If Islam wasn't there, they'd still be doing exactly the same thing.

Let's look at the society before we blame the religion.

Disagree. In India muslim women at present have got it worse because of shariah and refusal to reform. The position of Hindu women in history became WORSE in respect of seclusion and sexual strictness and child marriage after Islamic invasion.

In India brideburning is punishable by law. Though not all, many are convicted and sent to prison or executed. But in Islamic states women can be killed for the sake of honour by law of the land.

Sauron · 06-11-2003, 10:22 PM

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They should go where ever there are human rights violations, even if that includes North America. Far too many Americans mistakenly believe that they could never be guilty of war crimes or the vilolation of human rights just because they are AMERICANS. They demand this of everyone else, but exclude themselves from their own standards. This is hypocritical.

Not me. I consider American violations of this type to be twice as bad - because we have all the knowledge, all the moral activity, etc. and because we know better. Yet we do it anyhow.

The greater the exposure to enlightenment, the greater the moral infraction - because we should know better.

One of the USA's biggest blind spots is in regards to native Americans, and the uncountable violations of treaties, mismanagement of leasing payments (funds for usage of the land), etc. It's the reason that I sponsor a native American child through one of those child sponsorship programs.

Jat · 06-12-2003, 02:55 AM

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Originally posted by Monkeybot
Jat, you think you could grind that axe a little harder?

I actually respect a lot of your points in general, but sheesh.

Like wit, one should never like one's blade get dull.

lunachick · 06-12-2003, 02:59 AM

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Originally posted by Jat
Like wit, one should never like one's blade get dull.

Or grind it so hard that the strength of the blade completely diminishes. At that point, it's steel is too small to be a good axe, and it's handle too heavy to make for a good filet knife.

Jat · 06-12-2003, 04:58 AM

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Originally posted by lunachick
Or grind it so hard that the strength of the blade completely diminishes. At that point, it's steel is too small to be a good axe, and it's handle too heavy to make for a good filet knife.

Or it becomes a blade so fine that it'll slice through something without it ever noticing until it is too late.

lunachick · 06-12-2003, 05:02 AM

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Originally posted by Jat
Or it becomes a blade so fine that it'll slice through something without it ever noticing until it is too late.

But with the handle of an axe, it will be an unbalanced blade; and quite unweildy.

LOL.

Jat · 06-12-2003, 06:02 AM

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Originally posted by lunachick
But with the handle of an axe, it will be an unbalanced blade; and quite unweildy. LOL.

That only gives it a duel purpose because sometimes it takes a bunt object to "get the point through".

lunachick · 06-12-2003, 06:16 AM

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Originally posted by Jat
That only gives it a duel purpose because sometimes it takes a bunt object to "get the point through".

Point taken.

And now I will stop with the derailing, even though I have thoroughly enjoyed that little diversion.

Arrive Derci!

ImGod · 06-12-2003, 08:13 AM

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Originally posted by Jat
Originally posted by ImGod

You're just bitter because you live in a frozen second world country. Hell, Canada can't be all that great if more people would rather live in Mexico.

If Canada is a second rate country than the USA is a 4th rate one.

That's great, we're moving up.

Evangelion · 06-12-2003, 08:43 AM

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Disagree. In India muslim women at present have got it worse because of shariah and refusal to reform. The position of Hindu women in history became WORSE in respect of seclusion and sexual strictness and child marriage after Islamic invasion.

Oh, I have no doubt that it became worse. But it was already indefensible, and that's my point.

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In India brideburning is punishable by law.

So what? In practice, this rarely happens.

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hough not all, many are convicted and sent to prison or executed.

Exactly. Because that's the way people like to do it in your country, and that's the way it's going to stay.

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But in Islamic states women can be killed for the sake of honour by law of the land.

And in practical terms, the same is equally true of India - regardless of the law.

Can you see a small problem here?

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