Volker.Doormann

It is a difference whether you run an scientifically blind experiment on astrology, or we discuss astrological chart interpretations on an informational state. You have decided, that you would run an scientific blind experiment. It is not my problem, if you cannot serve birth certificates from 4 persons, to be sure that the interpretations will be correct. It is my credit which is lost, if there resulting wrong interpretation, not your. I have a program to compute an analyses. It is also able to draw charts. But that chart on the given URL is not from my software it is from astro.com, as it is labeled. To translate one text from German to English it takes about 2 hours, because the free online translator limits the amount of text to 4000 character, and an additional editing must be done. That counts for four text outputs a day. Quit easy? In my understanding it is also possible, that you do run the web translator in 4000 character packages along 8 hours.

Sorry for my part in your thread.

Jesse

Volker.Doormann:
It is also able to draw charts. But that chart on the given URL is not from my software it is from astro.com, as it is labeled. To translate one text from German to English it takes about 2 hours, because the free online translator limits the amount of text to 4000 character, and an additional editing must be done. That counts for four text outputs a day.

OK, I didn't know this stuff. Given that it wouldn't be something you could just plug into your computer and get a profile in a few seconds, I understand if you don't want to participate.

Lobstrosity

DEFINITE HITS:

• You want to fathom mysterious things because they attract you magically.
• You have a serious interest in religion, philosophy and higher formation. (I'm assuming higher formation is like science? And I think religion is crap, but I do have many reasons why I think it's crap, so obviously I think about it.)
• You attach big value to your moral reputation.
• Your feelings are vulnerable.
• You are pedantic in some things...
• You are rather sober and real in your basic attitude.
• You are silent and wait to seize the word about well thought-out and in shapely sentences to given time (I'm not 100% sure what this means, but I think it might be me)
• On the basis of your parents, you are somewhat inhibited and shy.
• And you are attached very much to your parents. (well, I was, though this doesn't seem to know that my mother is dead)
• You deal with reason and can talk sensibly about everything.
• You has can communicate meaningfully...
• You possess a big sensitivity and have a romantic, but not disorganized imagination, which you bring in a logical context.
• You are unbiased and convincing in your expression.
• You have an awake mind, expresses you well, and all things can clarify for the public.
• You are a serious personality and are cautiously in relationships.
• You have an ability to enjoy unorthodox joys.
• You are unsatisfied.
• Your mother crushes you! (well, she did back when I lived at home, but then I left for school and she died, so does this still count?)
• Often, you hush up your intents.
• On the basis of your inflexible strength and your insight ability, you could give the mankind big, new and important realizations in the area of the sciences.
• You can work well in groups and can have also success there.
• You love it, that to explore you surrounding wonderland of knowledge and to read about it, and your life is a permanent thirst after more understanding.
• Nevertheless it will be your biggest unconscious wish one day to become a wandering encyclopedia so that you never don't come into the situation to have the correct information to the hand in the correct moment.
• You would like to hurt other people by no means, and it costs you much effort to develop the ability to say what you feel real.

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DEFINITE MISSES:

• You have trust in a higher justice.
• Sometimes, you are a hypochondriac.
• You have to do professionally with trips and are an authority in an institution.
• You belong to the metropolitan people and love them.
• In your birth, there were problems. (it took a while, but there were no complications)
• You ... fight unremittingly for power and have an occupation with much public.
• You occupy yourself with health questions and statistics.
• Your quality characteristics are ... organization...
• You get involved in crooked matters and live very dangerously!
• You are a very active and dealing human being.
• your excessive speech habits sometimes frighten also your conversation partners.
• You want a spiritual development, experienced them you despite your negative experiences with the 'religion force' of your parents. (I don't want "spiritual" development and my parents were neither religious nor fanatically anti-religion)
• You have, therefore you hate authorities a strict father, who brakes you. (I don't hate authorities and my father was perhaps the least-strict person I know--he's the epitome of easy-going).
• The confusion and the lack of imagination of your parents block you long. (my parents are the reason I am where I am)
• Every relationship, that you arrive, becomes so complicated that you must find all your energy in order to free you from it.
• You must overcome your old superstition, that now hinders your development, and you quite clearly must see the truth of all things.

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INTERNAL CONTRADICTIONS:

You are silent and wait to seize the word about well thought-out and in shapely sentences to given time. ... Without consideration, you never speak.

vs

You are quick-witted, but sometimes, you already talk before you think.

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You get involved in crooked matters and live very dangerously!

vs

you are somewhat inhibited and shy.

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I also like this one: "You probably need psychiatric help someday."


So I count 24 hits and 16 misses. The real question, though, is how many of those hits apply to the majority of the population? The nature of the misses indicates this chart is not describing me.

Volker.Doormann

I am very thankful for the professional worked out feedback to that what my 250kB DOS program has put out. BTW. There are 'hits'. The fact, that there are interpretations, which seems to fail, does not make the amount of specific and detailed matching interpretations untrue (!). But it seems, that the question, why actually there are 'hits' - which was scored - scientifically random - with one bit (!) - beyond rondom, has no scientifically relevance here. However, thank you.

Oolon Colluphid

So, uh, Volker... pray tell us how this chart is likely to be any more accurate than any other? (That's why it'd have been nice to have a few to compare.)

Remove from the set-up the confirmation bias that most people would bring to it -- few folks, I'd guess, read horoscopes without expectations of it revealing something -- and what you seem to have there is... something that doesn't work. <shrugs>

So, okay, maybe there's something in it. Doesn't seem that way, but okay... We'd have a far better reason to consider the possibility (contra the ambiguousness) if you could offer some plausible mechanism for it working. Any ideas?

TTFN, Oolon

Lobstrosity

What's funny is that with regard to this I probably have an anti-confirmation bias. I don't expect it to work and hence I'm not instantly wowed by a few correct statements surrounded by things that sound like they either don't apply to me at all or apply to everyone. That's probably why my ratings were so low with the four Jesse provided me. I tried to be less strict this time and consider each line independent of the rest of the profile. At the end, however, I was quite unimpressed. The fact that there were 24 hits does not change the fact that it did not feel at all like the profile was describing me. Furthermore, the misses were remarkably glaring in some instances. The ultimate test is to see just how many of the "hits" apply to the majority of the people out there. For example, I bet a lot of people are interested in mysterious things (you have the spiritual lot all interested in the paranormal, the scientists interested in new avenues of research, the normal interested in movies with surprise endings...). I would guess a lot of people would claim to be interested in either religion (as most people are religious) or philosophy (it makes you sound superficial if you're say you're not). And who doesn't value his moral reputation? It's not like people enjoy being pariahs. I guess you could see how many of my hits would be hits for you before being too impressed.

Volker.Doormann

Added: The measured and found significances of the depending (one and then same person) interpretations were added (scored) instaed of multiplied, as it is common knowledege in statistical science. If one does multiply 24 significant values of for example 0.05 (values greater than 0.05 are not significant) it results in a significance value of 5.9E-32 and no failed interpretation can change this. Nevermind.

Volker.Doormann

Oolon,

If you have read the interpretation and you have read any other, you can decide it by yourself. I think, that the amount of astrological symbols, which was taken into account, while I wrote this software ten years ago, was first greater than in other software, but second also more clear and direct, than in other.
No and Yes. It is known from astrological evidence, that there is a stamp while birth generating such chemical and physical growing brain structures with neurons, which people called ‘I’. But there is no ‘I’. The ‘I’ is only the chemical brain structure. No scientist has given a prove, of an ‘I’ in a physical body. The ‘I’ is nothing then a fixed chemical cluster of atoms dynamically renewed by food and water from the supermarket leaving the structure unchanged. No one ever has found ethic in a brain, humanism or truth. There are only relations of emotional effects and chemical processes. The hole astrological stamp is physical. We are made.

There are some ‘things’ existing in nature, which are alocal. It is for example the impedance of the atom free space, which is alocal. It exists in your room, as well as in all space regions of the remote universe, and also in the brain of a newborn baby. This impedance is able to carry energies. Because it is evident from astrology, that the individual character properties are related to discrete planetary angel distances, which are integer divisions of the 2Pi ecliptic plane, plus the 4 quadrant ecliptic plane above and below the earth horizon, it seems, that some interfering energies from a geometric pattern as it is configured from the planetary angles, play a role here. It is known by Neuron scientists that the growth of neurons prior and after the first breath of a baby is different. It seems, that structures are be removed after birth, and will be used then for other structures. AFAIK the reason is not known. Because it is no secret, that special abilities, emotions and algorithm processors are related to special locations of structured neurons in the brain, it is obvious, that the individual brain must be initially configured by some geometrical interference pattern of the temporary energies. In summary there is no special secret to learn matching the planetary geometry while the first breath of a baby connected to the impedance of the free space and the phases of the continuosly changing geometric pattern of the planets.

Next to this stamp called 'I' there is the immaterial soul, which can be connected to the 'I' and can be aware of the 'I'. This is beyond physical forces, structures and pattern and astrology is not involved in that in that way, as math is not involved in physical forces.

Oolon Colluphid

Hmmm. Full of sound and fury, signifying... not a lot.

Energies, eh? Care to hazard what energies these are?

And, thanks for answering something I was wondering about: where the time of birth fits? That is, how it can be (needs to be, for all that planetary angles malarky) precise, when birth can be a protracted process. So it's down to moment of first breath. Okay, thanks.

But, how do we know that most people's time-of-first-breath has been accurately recorded?

My daughter was born at about 6am, but it could have been five minutes either way, easily. And her head was out a good five minutes before that. And, nobody was paying that much attention to clocks.

I doubt my daughter's birth is that unusual in that respect. How many people know to the minute when they were born? I suspect you'd be lucky to find many that know it even to 15 minutes accuracy. And what percentage of them are right?

Similarly, what of premature babies, who cannot breathe on their own, and whose lungs are too undeveloped to even cope with plain old air? What actually counts as the first breath?

And how come neuronal development before and after birth is so tightly linked to the first breath as to affect personality?

And you still haven't really answered the question. I'll grant for now that birth may affect personality. But what in blue blazes does that have to do with planetary positions?

TTFN, Oolon

Volker.Doormann

Energy is energy (Joule). The mean angle velocity of the moving earth is 1° per 4 minutes. The meaning of an interpretation does change if a planet moves for example from below the horizon to above the horizon. For the most positions of the planet in the four quadrants it is OK to know the time of birth with an accuracy of 1 to 4 minutes. Boundary cases for one planet can be found by evidence between two different interpretations.
It needs only one precise time record of the first breath and the matching interpretation to prove the claim right. From not recorded birth time no house interpretation can me made. From wrong recorded birth time only wrong house interpretation can be made.It seems that the air (oxygen/nitrogen) taken by the baby via lungs initialized a neuronal structure from the astrological point of view.I don't know, but it is evident. I have spoken from planetary angle distances. ANGLES. The idea deals with geometrical pattern, which are related to the integer number of divide the 2pi plane of the ecliptic (360°). 'Modes', 'Standing waves' as it is known from physic of wavelengths or interference pattern as it is known from coherent wave sources can enhance local geometric energy pattern - in general.