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Old 04-30-2003, 04:00 PM   #31
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�Adolph Hitler is, however, the victim of the greatest smear campaign in history,�

and rightfully so, as you said �There's many things Hitler did I don't agree with and would not want to see repeated.� No one else wants them repeated either.
Though you may have something of a point here somewhere. The mass murders of Stalin and the atrocities committed by the Japanese in WWII were on par with Hitler but no one ever says �this guy is as bad as Tojo�. I just watched a show last night on the History Channel about Japan between 1928 and 1945; the rape of Nanking, Bataan Death March and all the similar �experiments� conducted by Japanese �doctors�. Compared to the Germans they got off pretty easy, a Col. known for eating the meat of dead POW�s became a popular and successful politician after the war. Many of the �Doctors� were let go to become wealthy businessmen. The Emperor got off Scot-free. Of the 5700 or so war criminals tried, less than 1000 were executed and by the mid fifties the rest were let out of jail.
None of these incidences are taught in Japanese history classes, they are nowhere near as shamed as the Germans, yet their behavior was just as bad and went on for a longer time. Less than 5% of German POW�s died in captivity compared to over 40% of Japanese prisoners/slave laborers.

And what is an Aryan anyway? Were there ever any �true� Aryans in Germany? AFAIK the only ones left are the much-beleaguered Kurds.
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Old 04-30-2003, 04:06 PM   #32
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Once again, when all else fails, attack the messenger, not the message. I didn't say I agreed with everything that was written in those links. I certainly do not consider Hitler a god, and I don't think he believed in God, either. There's many things Hitler did I don't agree with and would not want to see repeated. Adolf Hitler is, however, the victim of the greatest smear campaign in history, and I believe someday he will be redeemed. The date of posting had nothing to do with Holocaust Remembrance Day. April 30th is the day Adolf Hitler died; you should all be celebrating! And where's the outcry over all that Stalinist rubbish that gets posted in the politics section by Totalitarianist? Afterall, no one should get upset about that, because socialism is a lofty goal that unfortunately happened to get sidetracked by a bloodthirsty tyrant in the 30's, right?
Mark, I highly recommend that you pick up a copy of the book, Hitler: A Study in Tyranny by Alan Bullock. Hitler richly deserves the smear campaign against him:

- he undermines a democratic system with subterfuge and propaganda to erect a totalitarian state where civil liberties are completely eradicated
- he wage aggressive war against his neighbours
- he wanted to and nearly succeeded in exterminating European Jews
- he considered Slavs (eastern Europeans) to be an inferior race that was to be treated like animals
- he practically raped Poland. He ordered his SS to round up educated Poles and have them liquidated in order to destroy Polish culture. By the end of the war, nearly 1 out of 5 Poles was dead.
- upon conquering Russia, he wanted to colonize it with Germans and either expel or enslave its current inhabitants
- during the war, he authorized slave labour by taking millions of people captive in conquered countries
- he's responsible for the deaths of tens of millions of people

These are just a few of the character flaws of Hitler. His notorious reputation for the enormous amount of suffering he caused is richly deserved.

As far as Stalinism goes, I consider him one of the world's worst villains too. I'm not sure if you've been here long, but Total gets his fair share of a beating here too.

And again, to those Hitler admirers who want to commemorate him, I commemorate this in response:

The White Rose




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Old 04-30-2003, 04:14 PM   #33
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Mark Alinksy has posted elsewhere that he thinks "Semitic races" are doing unspeakable damage to the country and that Jews should be stripped of political rights.

I wonder exactly which of Hitler's acts he "wouldn't like to see repeated."
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Old 04-30-2003, 04:29 PM   #34
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First of all, who's the coward? I post here under my real name, not some handle or nom de plume like the rest of you. The reason I erased the original message was because I was furious that the moderator moved it from the Politics section to this section, and I wanted the thread to be closed.
oh dear, oh dear, just how terrible.
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Once again, when all else fails, attack the messenger, not the message.
Nothing has failed so far.
Your supremacist theories and links have all been shot down, your websites providing racist nonsensical moonshine have been ripped apart, and now we're just getting onto the rest of it.
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And where's the outcry over all that Stalinist rubbish that gets posted in the politics section by Totalitarianist?
Speaking as one who consistantly likes to rip Totalitarianist apart, , I find you hypocritical.
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Old 04-30-2003, 05:20 PM   #35
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I certainly do not consider Hitler a god, and I don't think he believed in God, either.
Hitler, it seems, would disagree with you.

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Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.
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Mein Kampf Ibid, Volume 1, Chapter 5
I had so often sung 'Deutschland u:ber Alles' and shouted 'Heil' at the top of my lungs, that it seemed to me almost a belated act of grace to be allowed to stand as a witness in the divine court of the eternal judge and proclaim the sincerity of this conviction.
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Certainly we don't have to discuss these matters with the Jews, the most modern inventors of this cultural perfume. Their whole existence is an embodied protest against the aesthetics of the Lord's image.
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Once again the songs of the fatherland roared to the heavens along the endless marching columns, and for the last time the Lord's grace smiled on His ungrateful children.
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The folkish-minded man, in particular, has the sacred duty, each in his own denomination, of making people stop just talking superficially of God's will, and actually fulfill God's will, and not let God's word be desecrated. For God's will gave men their form, their essence and their abilities. Anyone who destroys His work is declaring war on the Lord's creation, the divine will.
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Adolf Hitler is, however, the victim of the greatest smear campaign in history, and I believe someday he will be redeemed.
Wrong. Hitler is only a victim of his own treacherous ideas and deeds.
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Old 04-30-2003, 05:34 PM   #36
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Mark Alinsky,

I remember attacking the message and attacking the messenger for trying to erase his post in the heat of battle, despite the lame excuses for it you've tried to foist on us long after the fact.

I see nothing wrong with that, you Nazi.
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April 30? Hitler doesn't even deserve to have his death celebrated, Nazi boy
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What of it?

By the way, if you actually read Tot's threads, you'll notice that he rarely gets away with his Stalin worship without some scolding.

The spectactular reaction against your thread likely has to do with the freshness of the topic. If you'd been posting about Hitler worship for the past year or two, the reaction would probably have more than .

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There are those who say that we are trying to deify Hitler...

A new awareness, a new consciousness has been reborn in each one of us. The immortal charisma of Adolf Hitler infects our soul. His spirit lives within us. For He is the One who was born, and who died, and who was resurrected, and now lives forever in our hearts as the author of our faith, without whom our race has no future, but with whom all things are possible, according to His will.
Hmm... Sure. No godhood there.

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But in just 12 years�4,482 days�half of them under siege and despite greatest adversity, Adolf Hitler created a society that worked, a society which did exactly what it said it was going to do to raise the human condition�a society which took an entire world mobilized in war to destroy.
Wow. There's so much reconstructionist history in that that it makes American School books look accurate.

Raise the human condition? By repressing the natural rights of men? And pardon me if my history is wrong--but didn't Germany start the war? We destroyed it? No, Hitler destroyed it. Britain and France proved their willingness to cooperate with fascism to a point. Hitler crossed that line.


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