ma1939

Mod, please either lock or pull this thread. Thank you.

everlastingtongue

Wow�I�m simply blown away by the clear and unbiased logic each of your links displayed. These sites are the true fountains for those seeking clear reason.

If I say I disagree with anything, please don�t send anyone to my home to shoot me.

elwoodblues

It's one thing to have an open mind. It's quite another to have it so wide open that your damned fool brains fall out.

Zar

How open does my mind have to be? Should you be able to look through my ears and see what is on the other side of my head?

Looksie here, from the third reference:

Really...?

If this isn't deification, I've never seen it.

KnightWhoSaysNi

I would also like to make a commemoration, Mark.

I would like to commemorate the deaths of the brave individuals who formed the The White Rose resistance movement who were executed by the Nazi regime almost 60 years ago.

The White Rose movement was a group of students and others in Munich who opposed Hitler and the Nazi regime during the war. Prominent members included Hans Scholl, Sophie Scholl, Christoph Probst, and professor Kurt Huber. The White Rose organized non-violent resistance by distributing leaflets that condemned Nazi oppression, along with printing slogans on walls such as "Hitler mass murderer" and "freedom."

Unfortunately, the White Rose members were eventually caught, put on trial, and summarily executed. All upheld their values to the very end.

The bravery of the White Rose to stand up to the most evil and monstrous regimes in history serves as a reminder to us not to sit back and stay quiet in face of oppression, injustice, and fascist totalitarianism. Every German today knows of the White Rose heroism. To paraphrase a saying, evil prevails when good people do nothing.

Koyaanisqatsi

Oh man. You've just nominated yourself for the most clueless jackass of the Secular Web. I'd say, "Congratulations," but you'd take it as it wasn't intended.

You mean beside Hitler, right? No, I don't suppose you do.

Soviet "barbarity" eh...? Interesting.

Assuming, as I am, that you are a Nazi apologist, what would you call a regime that engineered crematorium to efficiently utilize the sustainable fuel of innocent human fat in the design of their ovens?

Oh, let me guess. The deaths in the death camps were due to cholera, right? It was just a matter of German efficiency that they had the foresight to design ovens that would account for massive deaths of their innocent prisoners in just this way, right?

That's why every P.O.W. camp or prison throughout the world has the same kind of altruistic foresight to create mass crematorium deisgned to run primarily off of the burning temperature of human fat, so that inanimate feul could be used elsewhere, right? Just in case thousands of innocent prisoners who have committed absolutely no crime whatsoever and were never provided due process just suddenly die en masse in several different camps, yes?

That's what the purpose of the ovens was for, right? Just in case thousands of people died as the result of disease?

And not to get into a pointless comparative propaganda war regarding which was the more "barbarous" (Hitler or Stalin), what would you say about a military strategist who so badly miscalculated the seemingly deliberate invitation of a divided front that resulted in his pathetic murder/suicide of his own wife and then himself?

Do you really herald a leader who was so ultimately cowardice as to actually kill himself and his own wife rather than face his enemy and answer for his crimes (or should I say, "alleged" crimes to appease you)?

Let me guess again, he knew that he wouldn't receive a "fair" trial if the Russians got him, so he took the "honorable" way out, right?

How about the simple fact that he lost due to his own stupidity and/or hubris, setting aside (as I'm sure you do) the crimes he was unquestionably guilty of?

How does it feel that you're celebrating a loser? That you're deifying a coward? A mass murderer?

Good? Feelin' good, vieleicht? Lech mich doch am schwanz, Hitler lieber! Du hast keine ahnung!

Well, you got that right. His stupidity, short-shightedness and childish, homicidal, irrational anger at a doctor who screwed up when diagnosing his Mommy lost him the bomb and the war!

He rebuilt Germany, no question. Then pissed it all away so badly that even he reallized it, eventually, with murder/suicide.

Funny how the man you laud was more prescient about himself than you are.

An "open mind" eh? Even more funny how people that are offering laughable "evidence" (like theists) always preface it with "read it with an open mind."

I am German as is my Mother and her parents and my great grandparents, etc.,, so for you to instruct me to read something apologizing for Hitler as this tripe does "with an open mind" only demonstrates to me how remarkably deficient is your intelligence and how easily you have been brainwashed wie alle die andere Hitler Jugend. Arbeit macht frei, ja? Ja, das stimmt! Naturlich.

And no, I didn't have the honor of being raised Jewish. My parents are Presbyterian (I am an atheist), so kindly don't pull any bullshit redirection of "revisionist" accusations, versteh? Ich zerrei�e dir einen neues Arschloch heftig! Es ist mir schei� egal.

I know first hand the lies of this crap. Hitler was a two-bit thug (just like Stalin) who managed to use hate effectively against a nation of crippled arrogants, who had defeated themselves already in WWI and just needed an opportunist to fuel that hatred.

And contrary to popular misconception based on understandable reasons, managed to fan that flame of hatred against anybody who did not meet a Nordic ideal (commonly referred to as "Aryan"), even though no member of his administration ever came anywhere near this ideal and in fact represented the exact same populace he ordered to death.

He was identical to Stalin. I know that comes as a shock to one so grossly ignorant. They were identical, so to claim that he was some sort of "hero" because he went up against himself (and lost) is to betary your profound inability to analyze history objectively.

Du hast meine Sympathie und meinen Ekel.

ieyeasu

Damn, I wanted to read and ridicule as well. Unfortunately, the fellow asked for a mod to protect him.

Damn.

Hayden

Koyaanisqatsi

Just like the coward he heralds. Appropriate, don't you think?

I have called upon the Mod's to reintstate his post so that all of the legitimate objections raised can be fully understood, if possible (the first time I've done that, no less, so please, Mod's, consider that in your decision).

For anyone who didn't read his OP, it heralded Hitler for his "heroic" battle against the "barberism" of Russia on the day of Hitler's birth (a birhday "well wish" to Hitler).

Ironic his first name is "Mark" as in mark him well.

For those of you as appalled as the rest of us, the "meat" of his post can be found in my first response. The only thing missing is the links to his "evidence," and I hope they will be restored as well to demonstrate this board does not shirk from anything controversial, regardless of the second thoughts of the OP originator.

The issues raised transcend the wishes of the one who raised them, IMNHO (non-humble).

lunachick

What's the matter, Mark Alinsky? Couldn't take the heat, so decided to get out of the ovens? Nice that you had that choice, huh.