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Old 05-11-2003, 07:23 PM   #1
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OK, Christians, it's been 2000 years now or more since Ole' JC said "I'll be back".

Is there any justification in the Bible for a Savior God who takes that long to come back?

Is there any indication for God coming down here for a short time to give his followers a taste of what he is and then disappear for 2000 years?

This is one of the puzzling things about Christianity that I simply cannot fathom, and cannot imagine why people still believe that he's coming after all these years.

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(2 Peter 3:8-9) However, let this one fact not be escaping YOUR notice, beloved ones, that one day is with Jehovah as a thousand years and a thousand years as one day. 9 Jehovah is not slow respecting his promise, as some people consider slowness, but he is patient with YOU because he does not desire any to be destroyed but desires all to attain to repentance.

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(2 Peter 3:8-9) However, let this one fact not be escaping YOUR notice, beloved ones, that one day is with Jehovah as a thousand years and a thousand years as one day. 9 Jehovah is not slow respecting his promise, as some people consider slowness, but he is patient with YOU because he does not desire any to be destroyed but desires all to attain to repentance.

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You sound eerily like a Jehovahs Witness.

I'll tell younone thing. Christians have been predicting the end of the world for 1500 years, and it still hasn't come.
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You sound eerily like a Jehovahs Witness.

I'll tell younone thing. Christians have been predicting the end of the world for 1500 years, and it still hasn't come.
I find that odd considering that only the Father knows when the end will come. No human knows. The end will come like a theif in the night. I think what you have here is a case of people claiming to be Christians, but are not.
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Appius Agreed

Marie Antoinette once said if a million people believe a wrong thing, it is still a wrong thing.

Your assessments are correct

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Kinda like 'If you tell a big enough Lie, and keep on repeating it, in the end people will come to believe it.'

So where is the Daniel thread?
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Which sort of explains the popularity of religion...
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... Jehovah is not slow respecting his promise, as some people consider slowness, but he is patient with YOU because he does not desire any to be destroyed but desires all to attain to repentance.
It's strange how believers in an allegedly omnipotent deity are willing to turn around and claim that that being is essentially impotent.

An omnipotent being would be capable of making everybody act completely virtuous, otherwise that being would not be omnipotent.
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OK, Christians, it's been 2000 years now or more since Ole' JC said "I'll be back".

Is there any justification in the Bible for a Savior God who takes that long to come back?

Is there any indication for God coming down here for a short time to give his followers a taste of what he is and then disappear for 2000 years?

This is one of the puzzling things about Christianity that I simply cannot fathom, and cannot imagine why people still believe that he's coming after all these years.

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Actually, I found Jesus the other day. Turns out he's been behind my davenport all along.
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(2 Peter 3:8-9) However, let this one fact not be escaping YOUR notice, beloved ones, that one day is with Jehovah as a thousand years and a thousand years as one day. 9 Jehovah is not slow respecting his promise, as some people consider slowness, but he is patient with YOU because he does not desire any to be destroyed but desires all to attain to repentance.

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This does not address the question. We as humans, where a day is a day and a thousand years is a thousand years, were told that Jesus is coming "soon". A thousand years is not "soon" to us. We have no idea what it is to god. How many thousand? How about a million years? A billion? Using the excuse above, ANY number of years would be "soon". I'd bet that if humanity (and Christianity) were still around in a million years you'd still be giving us this ridiculous line. Why couldn't he have just said "several thousand years"? Or even be more specific? Why was he so vague like all those phony pshycics?
What's more obvious to me is that the above reasoning is what kept the oppression of the church over innocent people alive and well for so long. I mean, if you were to say that god can come unexpectedly at any time to punish the world for it's sins so you better do as we say, from now until forever (because there is no limit to the definition of "soon" to god), then wouldn't it be pretty convenient if god NEVER returned. The church would have secured its power until the end of existance.
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