MrDarwin

Seems like it would have been a lot simpler to just send Jesus a thousand years earlier.

Of course, being omniscient, God should have foreseen all this happening when he created the world in the first place...

Queen of Swords

Originally posted by Magus55
So God flooded the earth and wiped out the chaos and violence and evil people.

And yet they came back with a vengeance! Boy, how many floods does He have to send to get a little obedience?

Magus55

He did forsee it all happening - thats why Jesus coming to die for our sins was part of his plan. But God gave us free will - he knew everyone would do it, but it was by their own choice.

Jesus hasn't returned again because the world hasn't gotten bad enough yet. After Noah - the world never reached the point that it did during his time. Jesus will return when he deems the world about to "break" under the weight of its own destruction. 1000 years ago, it was only "bending".

MrDarwin

Magus, I'm curious why you think the world was so much more awful in Noah's time than it is today.

Selsaral

Notice the complete inability to answer, read, or even consider this question, even after you've posed it multiple times.

Jack the Bodiless

I'm also waiting for an explanation: why does Magus believe that I am definitely morally inferior to God?

The Bible says that God is good, but the Bible also says that God created evil, and that God is a deceiver. So the Bible says that the Biblical God can't be trusted on this issue. And I sure didn't create evil, and I don't generally deceive people.

So, Magus: if you're not getting that opinion from the Bible, then WHERE are you getting it from?

Stephen T-B

Magus - look what you’ve done now.
You won’t answer my question about being able to believe the unbelievable, so I’m having to make up our conversation:
S.T-B: “So our crime is not to believe in god?”
M55: “Yes.”
S.T-B: “Is it, therefore, a crime not to believe the unbelievable?”
M55: “There is plenty of evidence that God exists.”
S.T-B: “But the evidence is unbelievable.”
M55: “That’s only because you choose not to believe it.”
S.T-B: “Are you able to choose to believe the unbelievable?”
M55: “We can all choose to disregard evidence which we find inconvenient.”
S.T-B: “Excellent point, M55! Except the evidence for the existence of god doesn’t amount to evidence. It is heresay, at best, mythical at worst.”
M55: “That’s only your opinion.”
S.T-B: “Would you agree that there is such a thing as strong evidence and such a thing as weak evidence?”
M55: “Yes.”
S.T-B: “If I told you that I cycled to work today, what sort of evidence is that?”
M55: “None. You could be lying.”
S.T-B: “If I showed you the cycle which I cycled to work on, what sort of evidence is that?”
M55: “Weak. You could still be lying, but at least I know you do have a bicycle.”
S.T-B: “If I produced one of my colleagues who signed a sworn affidavit attesting to the fact that he had witnessed me arrive at work on my bicycle, would sort of evidence would that be?”
M55: “Strong, but not conclusive.”
S.T-B: “But would it be enough to persuade you that I had, indeed, cycled to work?”
M55: “I should think so.”
S.T-B: “Suppose I told you I had sprouted wings and flown to work from home, and I produced a signed, sworn affidavit confirming that I had, what sort of evidence would that be?”
M55: “None, because the improbability of someone sprouting wings points to the probability of such an affidavit being faked.”
S.T-B: “So is it the case that extraordinary claims need to be backed by extraordinary evidence?”
M55: “Yes.”
S.T-B: “Does the Bible contain extraordinary claims about the existence of God?”
M55 (reluctantly): “Yes.”
S.T-B: “Are those extraordinary claims supported by extraordinary evidence?”
M55 (hanging his head): “No.”
S.T-B: “Thank you. So, for me to accept these extraordinary claims in the absence of extraordinary evidence requires extraordinary gullibility?”
M55: “I guess so.”
S.T-B: “And if I demonstrate extraordinary gullibility, god admits me to heaven? If I don’t, I go to hell?”
M55: “That’s the way it is.”
S.T-B: “So god likes the gullible?”
M55: “Yes.”
S.T-B: “So he can put one over them?”
M55: “Obviously.”
S.T-B: “Is this a nice god?”
M55. “Not very.”
S.T-B: “Is it a god worth making the effort to believe in.”
M55: “I shouldn’t think so.”
S.T-B. “See you in hell, then?”
M55: “Right-o.”

Paul2

:notworthy

Queen of Swords

Just for that, I'll dedicate a Nutwatch to you.

Hedwig

:notworthy Stephen T-B :notworthy