Darth Dane

And the answer is: "I chose to sacrifice myself to myself to appease myself. Why? Because I was too dumb to think of any other way."

Well if Jesus wanted to change things, and constrained by time, how would you touch the entire world, when the internet wasn't invented?

Jesus didn't have the same background as we do to look on the world. Jesus knew probably very little about america for example, or what it would turn in to.




And Moses said unto God, Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, What is his name? what shall I say unto them?

And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.

And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, The LORD God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations" Exd 3:13-15

Following the trend of mark9950....


So what does this mean:

"I Am the truth the way and the Life"

Is Jesus referring to God here?

"God is the Truth the way and the Life"

"No-one comes to the father except through me"

Is this "me" the "I Am" of our being?

Realizing the "I Am" is part of the way?

"But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his." Rom 8:9

So God(I Am) has to dwell in me, when God dwells in me(I Am), can I say "No-one comes to the Father(God) except through me(I Am)"?




What do you think?





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winstonjen

Um...invent the internet, maybe? He's supposed to be all-powerful, right?

And all-knowing, too.

River

Lets reflect upon the Uncreated Word of G-d , The Last Testament revealed to Hu-manity 1400 years before you , and settle this dispute........



"And (on account of) their saying, "We killed the Messiah, ‘Isa son of Maryam, Messenger of Allah." They did not kill him and they did not crucify him but it was made to seem so to them. Those who argue about him are in doubt about it. They have no real knowledge of it, just conjecture. But they certainly did not kill him. Allah raised him up to Himself. Allah is Almighty, All-Wise." [Surat an-Nisa': 157-158 Noble Quran]

Prophet Jesus Christ (pbuh) has never died.

When Allah said, "‘Isa (Jesus), I will take you back and raise you up to Me and purify you of those who are disbelievers. And I will place the people who follow you above those who are disbelievers until the Day of Rising. Then you will all return to Me, and I will judge between you regarding the things about which you differed." [Surah Al ‘Imran: 55 Noble Quran]

mark9950

Maybe because he never existed.

History shows that there if any evidence that he never really walked the earth.

There is a lot of historical records of the ancient romans including all of the king herods (there were many herods).

But very little historical records of this Jesus.Only in the bible and many other ancient religious texts.

River

It might just be the fact that you overlooked that......the bible itself constitutes a segment of the historical record. The bible as well as hundreds of other "Apochrypha" originating from the period shows that certain events did happen. The Bible may not be fully accurate on some issues but many of the events/locations/characters of Jesus's time have been proven by Archaelogy. Perhaps if you were looking for Jesus's tomb....? Then thats unfortunate....as I said he never died ...thus he Ascended and left behind no physical remains. If you read the Hadiths ( Sayings of Prophet Muhammad) then you will know that Jesus was a humble Servant of G-d who carried only 2 possessions ( a comb and a water canteen). As the account goes...One day Jesus(pbuh) saw a poor man on the road who was trying to groom his beard with his hands...and then Jesus gave him his comb.....on Another Day, another was dying of thirst ....and then Jesus gave him his water canteen.

Jesus did not carry any items. How can you confirm his existence except by his writings and what is established in the Holy Quran? Do you want him to come down in person to greet you? Even if he did come down ....would you recognize him?

mark9950

This that you claim?

Where is the comb and canteen that you spoke about.

I could believe that the moon is green cheese,but no matter how much I believe does not make it so.

Unless there is historical proof,it could be just myth.

In iraq and many other middle eastern contries there are museums that have artifacts from the ancient civilizations.

That is proof they existed like the city of Ur in southern iraq.

There is no proof other than the bible and that josephus who is well worn out that this jesus ever existed.

Which diminisehes bible or koran credibility.

Yes unless he comes down at this minute to meet me,I will not believe in him.

I am waiting

He has not come yet.

It has been over a minute and this jesus has not come to meet me.

I cannot believe.Jesus ia a myth.Or he could have been an alien from another planet.

River

And seeing is believing........man......such visual creatures.....can we ever go beyond the senses?

B. H. Manners

"'""""It conveys no thought of plurality of persons within a godhead. In similar fashion, at Judges 16:23 when reference is made to the false god Dagon, a form of the title ’elo·him´ is used; the accompanying verb is singular, showing that reference is to just the one god. At Genesis 42:30, Joseph is spoken of as the “lord” (’adho·neh´, the plural of excellence) of Egypt.

At Deuteronomy 6:4, the Hebrew text contains the Tetragrammaton twice, and so should more properly read: “Jehovah our God is one Jehovah.” (NW) The nation of Israel, to whom that was stated, did not believe in the Trinity. The Babylonians and the Egyptians worshiped triads of gods, but it was made clear to Israel that Jehovah is different.

Max"'"""'



---------->May I cut and paste this onto another board which has people skilled in Hebrew?

YHWHtruth

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Max

mark9950

Unless there is disputable proof beyond doubt there is always doubt.See is believeing.

Believing in something that is not proven does not mean it is real,but believing does not make it real if it isnt.

As the saying goes "who made who?"

You could believe in your allah all you want,but if the koran is just another writing of myths,believing will not make it real.