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Rational BAC · 07-16-2003, 11:22 AM

I have nothing against Muhammed (well maybe I do) I have nothing against Islam. (Well maybe I do) I have an open mind and am willing to learn, however.

As a cherry picking Christian I can also cherry pick Islam as a possible extension of Christianity.

However my first few impressions of Muhammed is that he was a serious nut case. -------- Gawd, he was a pedophile, a warrior and conqueror with no compassion, an egomaniac who believed "do not do what I do ---do what I say".

First impressions-------I kind of like Jesus.

I don't really like Muhammed. I would not let Muhammed anywhere near my children-----especially any prepubescent females.

If Muhammed lived today in the USA, he would be in jail for pedophelia. And being poked in the asss on a daily basis.

Jesus would be on a corner in a slum somewhere being nice to the prostitutes and low life of this world--------but not in jail. (or at least for not longer than a day or two)

Doctor X · 07-16-2003, 03:30 PM

How do you know Jesus was not a pedophile?

--J.D.

Rational BAC · 07-16-2003, 08:52 PM

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How do you know Jesus was not a pedophile?

--J.D.

Why would you think He was?

Doctor X · 07-16-2003, 09:25 PM

He liked children. . . .

In all seriousness, you cannot make a claim that Mohammed would be in jail and Junior would not because you cannot provide us with a historical figure of any significant detail.

You merely speculate and speculation can lead to the uncomfortable.

--J.D.

joedad · 07-17-2003, 10:38 AM

Trinitarianism is better referred to as tritheism. To say all three deities are really the same deity always struck me as saying 1, 19, and 27.6 are really all the same number, only expressed differently.

Rational BAC · 07-17-2003, 09:08 PM

I have to admit I do not understand the Christian concept of the trinity at all.

And I am a Christian. It definitely seems like 3 separate entities in the Bible. And it takes an awful lot of spin to make them one entity. But why bother with it anyway?

I don't think the idea of a trinity is in any way necessary for Christianity.

There is this silly hang up on monotheism which seems to overwhelm reason as far as Christianity is concerned. And has done so since the 4th century.

Magus55 · 07-17-2003, 10:01 PM

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Originally posted by Rational BAC
I have to admit I do not understand the Christian concept of the trinity at all.

And I am a Christian. It definitely seems like 3 separate entities in the Bible. And it takes an awful lot of spin to make them one entity. But why bother with it anyway?

I don't think the idea of a trinity is in any way necessary for Christianity.

There is this silly hang up on monotheism which seems to overwhelm reason as far as Christianity is concerned. And has done so since the 4th century.

The Trinity actually is a foundation of Christianity. To deny Jesus' divinity, is to call Him a liar.

Here are a few articles on the Trinity. Not sure if it will help any but...

http://www.christiananswers.net/q-eden/edn-t002.html

http://www.carm.org/doctrine/whatisthetrinity.htm

http://www.carm.org/doctrine/trinity.htm

winstonjen · 07-17-2003, 10:09 PM

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Originally posted by Magus55
The Trinity actually is a foundation of Christianity. To deny Jesus' divinity, is to call Him a liar.

Then why leave it until the NT to mention? Was YHWH too lazy?

Magus55 · 07-17-2003, 10:19 PM

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Then why leave it until the NT to mention? Was YHWH too lazy?

Its mentioned in Isaiah and Genesis. It probably wasn't a big inclusion in the OT because the Word of God ( Jesus), hadn't become flesh yet, so there wasn't anything to understand the trinity by. Jesus proved His divinity, and the existence of the Trinity. He wasn't around to do that in the OT.

Secular Pinoy · 07-18-2003, 02:21 AM

Verses please, Magus, and maybe some explanation as to why you think it refers to the trinity, and not something else like polytheism/henotheism.

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07-16-2003, 11:22 AM	#71
Rational BAC Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Tampa Bay area Posts: 3,471	I have nothing against Muhammed (well maybe I do) I have nothing against Islam. (Well maybe I do) I have an open mind and am willing to learn, however. As a cherry picking Christian I can also cherry pick Islam as a possible extension of Christianity. However my first few impressions of Muhammed is that he was a serious nut case. -------- Gawd, he was a pedophile, a warrior and conqueror with no compassion, an egomaniac who believed "do not do what I do ---do what I say". First impressions-------I kind of like Jesus. I don't really like Muhammed. I would not let Muhammed anywhere near my children-----especially any prepubescent females. If Muhammed lived today in the USA, he would be in jail for pedophelia. And being poked in the asss on a daily basis. Jesus would be on a corner in a slum somewhere being nice to the prostitutes and low life of this world--------but not in jail. (or at least for not longer than a day or two)

07-16-2003, 03:30 PM	#72
Doctor X Banned Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: USA Posts: 3,794	How do you know Jesus was not a pedophile? --J.D.

07-16-2003, 09:25 PM	#74
Doctor X Banned Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: USA Posts: 3,794	He liked children. . . . In all seriousness, you cannot make a claim that Mohammed would be in jail and Junior would not because you cannot provide us with a historical figure of any significant detail. You merely speculate and speculation can lead to the uncomfortable. --J.D.

07-17-2003, 10:38 AM	#75
joedad Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: PA USA Posts: 5,039	Trinitarianism is better referred to as tritheism. To say all three deities are really the same deity always struck me as saying 1, 19, and 27.6 are really all the same number, only expressed differently.

07-17-2003, 09:08 PM	#76
Rational BAC Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Tampa Bay area Posts: 3,471	I have to admit I do not understand the Christian concept of the trinity at all. And I am a Christian. It definitely seems like 3 separate entities in the Bible. And it takes an awful lot of spin to make them one entity. But why bother with it anyway? I don't think the idea of a trinity is in any way necessary for Christianity. There is this silly hang up on monotheism which seems to overwhelm reason as far as Christianity is concerned. And has done so since the 4th century.

07-18-2003, 02:21 AM	#80
Secular Pinoy Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Quezon City, Philippines Posts: 1,994	Verses please, Magus, and maybe some explanation as to why you think it refers to the trinity, and not something else like polytheism/henotheism.

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