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I'm sorry for your loss, Tom. Believe whatever you are comfortable believing.

yguy

Nobody ever got into Heaven by backing the right horse.

I've read that during the Inquistion, an atheist woman was burned at the stake, saying she'd rather fry in Hell than follow the example of the ghoulish religious authorities.

She is not in Hell. I'm sure of it.

Tony

Tom Sawyer:

“Am I a bad atheist?”


No, you’re not.

It’s 100% human to be sad. But try to remember the good times together.

I agree with “celebrating life” of someone who we lost. Try to move from sad emotion to positive emotion of good times that you experienced. Try not to switch back to sad emotion, though. Your loved ones wouldn’t want you to suffer. Try to cherish life and reality around you, because, as an atheist, you understand the true value of life.

I’m sorry for your loss.

Please try to remember good times.

You’re lucky person – you are capable of love. Not everybody is.

Magus55

I'm just trying to give tom some thought and meaning on this side. Since he is having trouble deciding the truth, and having doubts about Atheism - maybe seeking out the truth of God is the right answer for him. Oh but i guess you method is better, just ignore all forms of spiritual thought and understanding - completely negating the possibility of a higher being because atheists are too closed minded and full of pride to accept a being higher than them.

<flame deleted - liv>

To everyone else, sorry for that outburst - I'm just trying to help Tom too. Obviously he is questioning the ideas of Christianity, not just Atheism - so both sides might help - and I hardly call my post preaching.

AJ113

You just don't geddit, do you Magus? Atheists hold their views precisely because they DO consider all possibilities, only discounting the existence of a god after considering all the evidence.

Don't you understand the pain, fear and uncertainty that a theist goes through when de-converting, having been brave enough to face up to the unpleasantries of reality? Pride? I only wish it was that simple.

<quoted flame and response deleted - liv>

No, you are not sorry, Magus. If you were sorry you would have edited or deleted the outburst before saying "sorry," as the outburst and the apology are both part of the same post.

Are you sure you're a christian?

KitKit

my my, that's a very bold statement, considering the fact that you don't even know a thing about me. of course you wouldn't know that i have attended many churches of different denominations & have been on a very long search for the TRUTH, the reality of life.

i wouldn't say that is "ignoring all forms of spiritual thought." i have investigated many, many forms of spiritual thought & after MUCH deliberation have come to the conclusion that they are all fiction. it has nothing to do with pride. it has to do with knowledge & common sense.

you may be satisfied being a sheep in a flock tended by a fictitious god in the sky & that's your prerogative. i, however prefer to be an eagle & know the happiness of true freedom.

if you wish to continue this discussion, please continue it elsewhere. this thread is not that appropriate place for it, IMO.

Yellum Notnef

You're not even the slightest bit sorry so you can quit this little act right now.

Go back up to the OP and show us where Tom Sawyer said he is "having trouble deciding the truth". He knows what the truth is and the truth sucks hard when people and pets you love die. But you wouldn't know any of this because you've decided to hide under your little baby blanket called Christianity.

Your ignorance may be bliss to you but some of us find it incredibly annoying.

livius drusus

I am moving this thread to SL&S so that Tom Sawyer can get answers to his question without superfluous and off-topic exhortations to seek the answers to an atheist problem in a deity.

That question again is:

Thank you,
livius drusus
Moderator - GRD

Rushianbeing

I agree wholeheartedly with everyone's anger at Magus55 here, and I bet it's no wonder that Tom Sawyer has not posted anything else on this thread. He wanted support from rational, caring beings, and instead he's getting harassed by a selfish, cruel fundie. One particular member of my sister-in-law's family swarmed all over my brother with his fundie shit when she died-he saw his chance and he tried his BEST to take it. I stepped in between them and told him where he could go, and just the mere fact that he was so coldhearted, selfish and callous to even ATTEMPT such an act at the worst time in my brother's life made me even more bound and determined that fanatical Christianity was utter bullshit. He was not in any way trying to help my brother. He was trying to help himself.

Anybody who tries to convert someone during a time of pain is a jerk of the highest order, Magus55. I even heard a woman on a Christian televangelist channel agree with me on this a few weeks ago-her exact words about people like you?

"Jesus wept, so shut up!!".

Well said.

I hope you are finding peace, Tom Sawyer, and come back to let us know how you're doing if you feel like it.

Rushian

AspenMama

Just a reminder, Magus, in case you are following this thread here, posts such as the one you are referring to are considered preaching and will be strongly moderated in SL&S. I have a very low tolerence indeed for 1)people who make broad-sweeping assumptions about atheists and 2)preaching in my forum.
If you wish me to clarify further, let me know and I will pm you.

----AspenMama, SL&S Moderator