Evangelion

• An Australian judge ruled that a 50-year-old Aboriginal man's statutory rape of a 15-year-old girl is not a serious crime, but traditional culture. But feminists say violence against women is a result of relatively recent history.
  
  [...]
  
  A Northern Territory judge ruled in October that a 15-year-old Aboriginal girl "knew what was expected of her" and "didn't need protection" when a 50-year-old man committed statutory rape against the girl and shot a gun into the air when she complained about it. The man was later revealed to have been convicted of slaughtering his former wife.
  
  Expert testimony submitted by an anthropologist in the case called the man's arrangement with the girl "traditional" and therefore "morally correct." The girl's parents had "promised" her as a wife to the man, Jackie Pascoe Jamilmira, at the girl's birth, in return for a portion of Pascoe's fortnightly government allowance.
  
  The girl resisted his advances, so he punched her, "put his foot onto my neck" and raped her, according to her statement to the police. When the girl's family was unable to protect the girl, police took Pascoe, brandishing a shotgun, into custody.
  
  Source.

Jat

Originally posted by Dr Rick

That's the flaw in your argument, since Christians aren't throwing acid on to their wives and their relatives, condemning them "equally" makes no sense. Some crimes are worse than others.

Please, I've already covered this. The only reason why they aren't still doing this sort of thing in Christianity is because it is a dying religion and doesn't have nearly the power and control it once had. Remember the Burning Times? Have a woman who spurned you? Just accuse her of being a witch and all your problems were solved. It didn't really matter if she was guilty or not because either way she was going to die.

[Ad hominem deleted - clark]

August Spies

I can't read this whole thread, but I just wanted to butt in and say:

Islam is totally fucked up. As left wing as I am, I feel no need to pretend otherwise due to abstract notions of political correctness or world harmony.

On the same note, all organized religions are fucked up. (guess im preaching to the choir here though)

Dr Rick

...inadequately, however.

non sequitur

It is not a dying religion at all; it's growing rapidly in the third world even as it fades in Europe.

That Islam has more control over its followers does not equate past Christian atrocities with current ones by Muslims, or vice versa. Modern-day Christians generally don't do that kind of crap, but many modern-day Muslims do.

It doesn't matter what you think the reasons are for the discrepancy.

Another non sequitur; That's history, not present day. Equating the two is like claiming modern-day America is genocidal because early-day Americans slaughtered Native Americans.

hinduwoman

All we who criticize Islam are saying is that Islam is very misogynastic from its inception.
This is not the same thing as saying that no other religions or cultures lack such abuse.

In West Bengal a Muslim wife vaccinated her son for polio without her husband's permission. The husband divorced her merely by saying talaq three times. shariah permits this and there is nothing anyone can do and even alimony is not required.
Am I supposed to admire shariah for this or try to give the woman a better deal?

Just read this: http://www.secularislam.org/women/bitter.htm



And this is one peeve ---how come Western liberals freely discuss the atrocities on Hindu women blaming hinduism for it, but never brings up Western cultures in comparison or thinks it to be bigoted and racist? Why this differential treatment? Is it because Said induced a gulti-complex?

meritocrat

It IS PC.

Remember that western societies used to enslave blacks and subjugate women. Christians would have even defended these things.

Sakpo

Agreed.

Kuu

Well I am a 'Western Liberal' and first bought up the case of Hindu women

I said

I asked that question because I don't think people do blame in on Hinduism. At least, I don't.

And I don't understand you statement about 'never bringing up Western culture in comparison', I would have said Western society has certainly been bought up in comparison in this thread.

Can you show me amywhere in this thread where anyone has remotely said anything along the lines that Shariah law should be admire, or that is is right?

I have criticised cultures across the board for their treatment of women. In fact the culture I have criticised the most is my own - white Australian culture. Because white law said it was alright for an aboriginal girl to be bashed and raped by a man more than 3 times her age. White law said it was OK for her to be bought and sold.

The majority of cultures on the Earth are misogynastic to some degree or another.

Jat

Originally posted by Dr Rick

...inadequately, however.

Only to you.

It is not a dying religion at all; it's growing rapidly in the third world even as it fades in Europe.

Islam is the world's fastest growing religion now, especially in the third world. Christianity is at a stagnant 2.3% per year whereas Islam is at an increasing 2.9% per year. I estimate that within 50 to 100 years there will be more Muslims in the world than Christians.

I have a feeling that your going by what Christian missionaries are saying. Their idea of converting is "Accept Jesus and we'll feed you, don't and you'll starve to death..." What do you think they would tell them back?

That Islam has more control over its followers does not equate past Christian atrocities with current ones by Muslims, or vice versa. Modern-day Christians generally don't do that kind of crap, but many modern-day Muslims do.

All religions run in cycles.

It doesn't matter what you think the reasons are for the discrepancy.

Yes, it does since it shoulds a truth that you're unwilling to accept.

Another non sequitur; That's history, not present day. Equating the two is like claiming modern-day America is genocidal because early-day Americans slaughtered Native Americans.

They still at it, but go overseas now instead.

Jat

I was one who also blamed it on the pre-existing culture as well. It is just thatthere are some on here who need a boogieman to blame and right now that is Islam. They don't see their own hypocrisy and try to brush off any attempts to expose the truth.