sakrilege

Where does this phrase come from, is there a biblical feference? Just what does it mean?

Celsus

Hi sakrilege

The passage is fairly self-explanatory. As I recall, this passage is unique to Matthew.

Joel

Evil Milkman

Would a gay man want to say this phrase?

braces_for_impact

I always thought it was a bit sexual myself...

Amos

Peter represents Judaism in the life of Jesus-the-Jew and Judaism was about to be left behind in the life of Jesus-the-man. Later, Jesus-the-Jew is crucified and Jesus-the-man is set free under the name of Bar-abbas (son-of-man).

The keen insight of Peter was appreciated (thou art rock etc.) but not religion itself. Because Matthew was the Jewish perspective it will only be found in Matthew.

Celsus

Amos,

It's quite clear that you're just making this up as you go along. Abba means father. Even then, the connection between Barabbas and Bar Abba is speculative at best.

Joel

sakrilege

This certainly does help explain the 'get behind me' phrase. Thanks much.

Amos

Big deal, "son of the father" is the same as "son of man" because the father gave birth to the child that was to become the father of man. Just look at the declaration that Jesus was the son of Joseph.

It sure was not speculative that Jewish law convicted Jesus while Pilate declared three times that he could see no fault with [Jesus] the man.

Infidelettante

The trouble with this statement is that the Jerusalem church
never left Judaism behind. And the leader of the Jerusalem
church was James, Jesus' brother, not Peter.

The church in Jerusalem maintained the Biblical laws regarding
association with non-Jews and the dietary laws. They
continued to understand the temple as central to the Jewish
religion. The Jerusalem church remained Jewish in action
and thought. They never made one move to found another
religion that would supersede or replace Judaism. It fell upon
Paul, who never met Jesus and knew almost nothing about
his life to found the Christian religion.

It is ,I think, telling that those who spent the most time with
Jesus, who knew him best, some of whom were his family
never imagined the begining of a new universal religion
would rise with Jesus that favored morning.

JT

Amos

To leave Judaism behind means that it had served him well and Jesus-nee-Joseph was soon to be set free from religion and the bondage to slavery and sin. So for Jesus alone Judaism ended as a means to the end.

Paul made hay with this and Jesus may have just been an arbitrary figure who existed only in the myth. To exist in the myth means that the event happened but only in the myth and Jesus could have been any-Jew.