Veil of Fire

Amos could also be tripping. I never can understand a word he says.

Boro Nut

I do that all the time. It's fun isn't it? I can absolutely guarantee it where I live. Mind you, you have to actually be inside the only christian church at the time you throw it.

Boro Nut

jess

What I found interesting, having swallowed the line hook and sinker as a teenager (I am more learned now) was that many pagans et al believe that the number is accurate and that each find proes it was higher, when in fact, each find proves it lower...

the idea of that confuses people--- let me sum up:

if it is estimated that town A had 200 K killed, Town B 300 K killed nad town C 800 K killed, then we have 1.3 mil killed, est. (This was the original estimate that got the 9mil, lets say)

Archaeologists find that in fact town A had 30 K killed, and town b had 140 K killed, a difference of 330 K. While hailed as an important find, it is not realized that not only the actual numbers are lower than the estimate, but the last esitmate number also goes down. So the new esitmate would be closer to 400 K killed in town C, making the original, vaild-at-one-point 1.3 million now an updated and equally valid 570 K killed...

However, the 1.3 (9) mil number has already entered pop culture...

Perchance

Thanks for the clarification, Grizzly. It goes to show the hazards of trying to understand Amos .

Jess: I agree. The "nine million number" sounds so horrific (people can then go around saying, "That's more than the number of people who died in the Holocaust!") and it's a nice round number. Plus many people (unfortunately) inside the pagan community seem to feel it's "disrespectful" to the dead to question it. I prefer to investigate and get as much of an answer as I can, however.

-Perchance.

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gsx1138

Thank the Goddess I'm not the only one confused by Amos. Amos, I kind of see what you are getting at but it seems that our definition of a witch is obviously different thus leading us to different conclusions.
I understand the Abrahamic version of a witch but the Bible (and christian) version is totally irrelevant to me. I have heard it argued that the Bible condemns people who cast curses but not those who just cast spells.
Since we have differing opinions on who can be considered a witch I doubt we'll ever see eye to eye on the subject. I don't view witches as anything supernatural just those who want to believe that they can work magick.
I only condemn those to death who would choose to condemn others based on personal beliefs. Since you must think of witches as some kind of supernatural entity (which I don't believe in the supernatural) I can't condemn you to death. Of course I've apparently misunderstand you in all your previous posts so this could be the case again.

Amos

You must be careful with the word "real" because just as Jesus was real so are witches real and just as the birth of Christ was real so is/can the effect of witches be real on the birth of Christ. Notice the present tense here to indicate that in our naos (innermost being) we are Christ, or Buddha, and the craft of witches is to prevent our full realization of this innermost identity.

Understand here that the birth of Christ was/is metaphor but real nonetheless because metaphors point at a certain truth. In this case it is a metaphysical beginnning that later becomes real in the physical (new mind for the renewal of the body).

Relax, but according to the bible it should make you shiver. Witches mislead people and according to the Bible they deserve "the millstone."

Amos

One such heresy is the idea that salvation can be found in the Bible. That is wrong in itself but does not affect others unless the heretics try to convert innocent people who are completely naive towards salvation and convert them with their "hands-on techniques" and play a "hokus pokus" on them. Mental institutions are full of such cases. So yes, the effect of witches can be very real.

The point I am trying to make is that religious perversion can go much deeper than indoctrination and witches (commonly known as evangelists) have an eye for this and know exactly what to look for and how to appoach "the carcass." If you could ever get into their "inner circle" ask how they love to get their hands on a Catholic because they "zap" so easy.

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Boro Nut

More so when you factor in the population, which at that time was estimated at, erm...
erm...
about nine million.

A quick check of the number of registered witch catchers, at an average of 18 witches per ton, they should be finished processing them some time next year hopefully. We'll all sleep a lot easier then.

Boro Nut

Perchance

Amos: In order to accept the ideas of witches doing spiritual harm to people, I would have to accept the idea that:

-a soul exists.
-magic exists.
-a "spiritual realm" that can be manipulated by human will exists.

Since I don't accept any of those ideas, I find the idea of hunting down people for what they believe more frightening than the idea of witches.

-Perchance.

Amos

OK Perchance, that is very easy to do.

A soul is just another name for our subconscious mind. Intuition is the memory of our soul and what we call instinct is the memory of the soul of animals. If you don't agree with this please tell me where our intutition comes from.

Magic does not exist if you say so.

Under hypnosis the human will can be manipulated. Hypnosis can eliminate pain and make you believe anything the hypnotists wants you to believe. If the hypnotist can manipulate your actions he must replace your human (conscious) mind which itself is just an agent that is independent of your actions (or the hypnotist count not supplant it).

So do you see how either your human will or the will of the hypnotist can be in charge of your body? Please do not take this as an insult but it kind of means that your believes do not count for much.

So called religious experiences can be duplicated and science knows exactly how to do this.

Yes it is wrong to hunt people down for what they believe if freedom of religion is part of the constitution.

Witches do not just harm individuals but they have a negative influence on the entire civilization. A good question to ask here is if you would rather experience a Divine comedy or a Senecan tragedy. If the choice was yours you would need the to employ a witch to get you a Senecan tragedy and you would only need to be a good Catholic (according to my definition) to get you a Divine comedy.

It really is fun to watch witches live up to their medieval imagery. I just love it and it really is the story of my life.