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Jove · 10-18-2002, 03:14 AM

If evil cannot stand in the presence of God/if evil cannot exist in Heaven, then how was Satan able to last in Heaven after evil entering his heart, and how was he able to accuse Job directly in front of God?

K · 10-18-2002, 05:53 AM

Jove,

These are very good questions. But you'd probably get more responses in the Biblical Criticism area. Maybe you could post it over there or a moderator might move this one for you.

agapeo · 10-18-2002, 06:31 AM

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Originally posted by Jove:
If evil cannot stand in the presence of God/if evil cannot exist in Heaven, then how was Satan able to last in Heaven after evil entering his heart, and how was he able to accuse Job directly in front of God?

Can you cite the exact text where you derive this?

cloudyphiz · 10-18-2002, 07:25 AM

here's an interesting <a href="http://home.earthlink.net/~robwir/devbio.html" target="_blank">article</a> to read

-gary

Ronin · 10-18-2002, 07:47 AM

An even more intriguing enigma to consider ~

Given the alleged omnipotence of the character known as "God", why would a 'perfect' angel (currently known commonly as "Satan") choose to compete?

Unless the mythical Dark One spotted a certain fallibility.

Radcliffe Emerson · 10-18-2002, 01:50 PM

Sam Kenison once said Satan is just God when he's drunk.

sakrilege · 10-18-2002, 02:34 PM

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Originally posted by Radcliffe Emerson:
Sam Kenison once said Satan is just God when he's drunk.

I've often thought that god as an evil entity playing games with humans makes more sense than the xtian version.

Pensee · 10-18-2002, 04:16 PM

And if you read up on the whole Lucifer story, it doesn't make sense. You know, the story goes that satan was a fallen angel (Lucifer). There is only ONE reference to Lucifer in the entire Bible!!!(Isaiah 14:12)Read the passage IN CONTEXT! (the couple of verses right before & after it) and it's pretty obvious that this is talking about a fallen king, not a fallen angel.

So then, where did satan of the bible come from?

sakrilege · 10-18-2002, 04:27 PM

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Originally posted by stardust:
And if you read up on the whole Lucifer story, it doesn't make sense. You know, the story goes that satan was a fallen angel (Lucifer). There is only ONE reference to Lucifer in the entire Bible!!!(Isaiah 14:12)Read the passage IN CONTEXT! (the couple of verses right before & after it) and it's pretty obvious that this is talking about a fallen king, not a fallen angel.

So then, where did satan of the bible come from?

From another thread ...<a href="http://iidb.org/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=47&t=001227" target="_blank">Lucifer</a>

This answers some of your observations.

Pensee · 10-18-2002, 05:04 PM

Cool. I hadn't even read that thread when I posted the above reply. Great minds think alike, eh?

My totally unscientific theory

is that they just made satan up as a means to explain evil, b/c it couldn't have possibly come from the all-powerful, all-benevolent god!

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10-18-2002, 05:53 AM	#2
K Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Chicago Posts: 1,485	Jove, These are very good questions. But you'd probably get more responses in the Biblical Criticism area. Maybe you could post it over there or a moderator might move this one for you.

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cloudyphiz Senior Member Join Date: May 2001 Location: rochester, ny, usa Posts: 658	here's an interesting <a href="http://home.earthlink.net/~robwir/devbio.html" target="_blank">article</a> to read -gary

10-18-2002, 07:47 AM	#5
Ronin Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Mississippi Posts: 5,047	An even more intriguing enigma to consider ~ Given the alleged omnipotence of the character known as "God", why would a 'perfect' angel (currently known commonly as "Satan") choose to compete? Unless the mythical Dark One spotted a certain fallibility.

10-18-2002, 01:50 PM	#6
Radcliffe Emerson Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: the dark side of Mars Posts: 1,309	Sam Kenison once said Satan is just God when he's drunk.

10-18-2002, 04:16 PM	#8
Pensee Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: florida Posts: 657	And if you read up on the whole Lucifer story, it doesn't make sense. You know, the story goes that satan was a fallen angel (Lucifer). There is only ONE reference to Lucifer in the entire Bible!!!(Isaiah 14:12)Read the passage IN CONTEXT! (the couple of verses right before & after it) and it's pretty obvious that this is talking about a fallen king, not a fallen angel. So then, where did satan of the bible come from?

10-18-2002, 05:04 PM	#10
Pensee Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: florida Posts: 657	Cool. I hadn't even read that thread when I posted the above reply. Great minds think alike, eh? My totally unscientific theory is that they just made satan up as a means to explain evil, b/c it couldn't have possibly come from the all-powerful, all-benevolent god!

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