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haverbob · 06-26-2003, 08:24 PM

You'll see soon enough. No insult towards you. But you will see soon enough. Wait till River wakes up and responds to you. Then you will see. Just remember the brick wall example. Have fun.

Biff the unclean · 06-26-2003, 08:50 PM

Oh this guy's no different than half the Xians here. His bible is correct because it's metaphor / your translation--entire language-- is wrong / you have the wrong attitude. When you catch him on a point he ignores it or becomes insulted by it.
I would guess that since Consequent has done the research and has all the facts River will pretend to be insulted by him. He may have a different wrapper but inside is the same old baloney. He even used out of context Darwin quotes he lifted from a Christian Creationist site

Consequent Infidel · 06-26-2003, 09:30 PM

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Oh this guy's no different than half the Xians here. His bible is correct because it's metaphor / your translation--entire language-- is wrong / you have the wrong attitude. When you catch him on a point he ignores it or becomes insulted by it.
I would guess that since Consequent has done the research and has all the facts River will pretend to be insulted by him. He may have a different wrapper but inside is the same old baloney. He even used out of context Darwin quotes he lifted from a Christian Creationist site

he is trying to take advantage of people's ignorance of arabic here to promote his twisted crap..but lets see how he's going to stand with someone who knows arabic and can expose his bullshit, like this one:

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------------[Chapter: 51, Verse: 47 Noble Quran]
"The heavens, We have built with power and, We are expanding it."

liar...how did you translate this to "We are expanding it" ? can you read arabic ? here is the arabic text:

� �� ��

the phrase "Inna La Musi'oon" does NOT mean "we are expanding it" but means "and We are All powerfull"

and here is what the arabic lexicons say about it if you can read arabic:

�� :

� �� ): ��

http://lexicons.ajeeb.com/html/5105951.html

so here is what a true translation of this verse says:

And the heaven, We raised it high with power, and most surely We are the makers of things ample (51 :47)

no mention of your expansion anywhere

come on river...post more of your lies about your unholy book so i can enjoy exposing them.

aatayyab · 06-27-2003, 02:06 AM

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Originally posted by brighid
I would argue that "belief" in this God does not actually make God real. Believing God is protecting you doesn't mean a God is actually protecting you. So all these people blowing themselves and other people up over a belief in a God is terribly wrong.

Amir, let me ask you ... if a man or army determined to kill you (and not knowing whether you are actually an enemy) came into your home land, or into your home armed and violent would you fight him? Does fighting against armed intruders, or armies make one less innocent of the crimes of his government or leaders? Do you think defending ones self and family makes one guilty of a crime? Would those intruders be justified in killing you, your wife and children because you faught against their aggression?

Violence is rarely the answer and blowing up Tel Aviv will not quicken your freedom in Pakistan. Although I do not agree with the Israeli government and its current course of action I do not believe killing all the innocent people who happen to live in Tel Aviv to be the solution to any problem, even if any of the tyrannts are justifiably killed.

Making such a claim is really no different then what the American administration has done and condoned in Iraq. Morally upright people do not casually dismiss the murder of innocents in justifying their acts of vengence.

Brighid

Brighid,

Sorry for such comments taken as IT IS by you. In fact, I was trying to be a BRAVE BOY by believing in God and offering my candidature for any such future suicide bombing

Regarding suicide bombings currently in Palestine, these poor chaps have been born, grown up and suffered since 50 LONG years and you or I or anyone sitting outside, can NEVER imagine the type of terror imposed by Israelis backed by US/Uk. When such a miserable situation exists, that you find no other way to defend yourself, those who believe in God, never give up that easily, even you put them in such OPPRESSION for 5 billion years. Those who believe in God, would simply offer their own lives, just to prove RIGHT right and WRONG wrong. Do you see 1 billion muslims around you? Was it possible that a mere Arabic man comes up from the hills and announces he is the Messenger and the world is ruled by Muslims until now? I don't think so. There IS something about Islam, there IS something, just try to get a bit deeper knowledge about Islam. I am not a preacher, but yes, I am fascinated by Islam. It is only recently, when Iraq/Afghanistan and many other parts are being BLOWN UP and none of the one billion muslims are caring that I am wondering, has Islam lost its power in current times??? Has Islam been defeated by mere nukes, B52s, Cruise Missiles, etc.? That is why I questioned the existance of any God, if there is any? I cannot believe my own eyes when I see those so-called ONE BILLION MUSLIMS merely protesting at the streets and doing nothing about it. It simply shows the lack of their faith in the basic principle of Jihad which protects and keeps the world peaceful. Islam means peace in Arabic and peace can only be achieved when you FIGHT.

Regarding fighting the army or armed men/women in my home, yes, I will fight to defend my family, my home and my land. However, temporarily , I may give in, since, I am not armed at that time. {edited by -AV}See, how brave I am? Now, I am seeking the Congressional Medal of Honor for such words, would you please let your local Representative know this? please......

Amir Ali Tayyab
http://aatayyab.com

aatayyab · 06-27-2003, 02:29 AM

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Originally posted by haverbob
Wow !!! I don't know any of that shit !! Can you back this up? (although it seems as though you can, if you are quoting all of that arabic stuff, but I don't know enough to say whether you are correct or not). It seems as though you are responding to River's claim that the English version can never be interpreted correctly by the Arabic language and therefore you are showing your command of Arabic interpretation. You lost me. I'll warn you that you are in for a mind game that is better than any politician could dream of. Wait till you find the brick wall and then you will see that you may very well be wasting your time. Maybe you'll have better luck than me, but I doubt it. Whether River knows it or not, he is a master debater. He knows the key to debates. That is, "to be a brick wall". I don't know who taught him this but he has learned well and you have a more worthy opponent than you may think, because the brick wall will always win, because the person seen talking to the brick wall, will always look like a fool. I have already lost.

Ha Ha Ha.... I am especially laughing on the sentence just said by you "I have already lost".

Ha Ha Ha..... Can't stop laughing.... Ha Ha Ha... Very funny.....

Amir Ali Tayyab
http://aatayyab.com

aatayyab · 06-27-2003, 02:38 AM

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Originally posted by Consequent Infidel
wtf are you talking about?

As HAVERBOB advised you, don't bother here. RIVER is not only a BRICK WALL, but behind that wall, there are trillions of other walls, which you may NEVER see with this type of ATTITIUDE PROBLEM.

{edited-AV}

Amir Ali Tayyab
http://aatayyab.com

EstherRose · 06-27-2003, 02:40 AM

To commit murder is wrong. To think that by suicide bombing, or as some refer to it, homicide bombing is a way to peace is foolishness. Islam means peace you say, yet you want to kill...

Your daughter will grow up without a father. Assuming you really have one and have not just been playing games with those who aren't muslim.

aatayyab · 06-27-2003, 02:55 AM

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Originally posted by EstherRose
To commit murder is wrong. To think that by suicide bombing, or as some refer to it, homicide bombing is a way to peace is foolishness. Islam means peace you say, yet you want to kill...

Your daughter will grow up without a father. Assuming you really have one and have not just been playing games with those who aren't muslim.

Dear Esther,

I never advocated MURDER as you said. I said FIGHT. And yes, if there is a murderer (USA/UK/Israel) on the loose, yes, I will FIGHT and KILL. Regarding, my daughter and my family, well, they will be proud, I died as a martyr, not in result of some AIDS at the age of 80, on the cosy beds of NYMC :notworthy

Regarding Islamic meanings of peace, well... look at the hangings or death sentences in the most advanced countries i.e. USA. Aren't they KILLING. Well, they are killing, cause the killer killed someone and he deserves punishment. Islam even goes further. It has a concept of PAYMENT OF MONEY to the family of murdered to get rid of death sentence provided the family of murdered pardon him.

Just my point of view, regarding ACTUAL islamic point of view, well, that is reserved for Islamic Scholars only. And one more thing, Esther, as you said, I might be FAKING all this about my daughter, well, that is not nice. You blame someone without actually getting proof. Here is photograph of my daughter http://geocities.com/aatayyab/ifrah.jpg

And as far as I know, perhaps I am the only one here ADVERTISING my own website containing even the details about my underwear

Although I am trying to tell you good things here, about islam, about truth, etc., this does not stop me from claiming that i am a BAD BOY and I have committed many sins only in the hope that God will forgive me. Although I fear HIS justice

Amir Ali Tayyab
http://aatayyab.com

EstherRose · 06-27-2003, 03:06 AM

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originally quoted by aatayyab
In fact, I was trying to be a BRAVE BOY by believing in God and offering my candidature for any such future suicide bombing

To commit murder is wrong. You did advocate it. You said you wanted to be one. Unless you are blowing up boxes of toilet paper or other non human living material then you are indeed advocating murder.

Your comment about NYMC and a couple of others make me wonder if you are in the US even now.

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06-26-2003, 08:24 PM	#231
haverbob Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Alabama Posts: 1,771	to Consequent Infidel You'll see soon enough. No insult towards you. But you will see soon enough. Wait till River wakes up and responds to you. Then you will see. Just remember the brick wall example. Have fun.

06-26-2003, 08:50 PM	#232
Biff the unclean Banned Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: an inaccessible island fortress Posts: 10,638	sic em boy!!! Oh this guy's no different than half the Xians here. His bible is correct because it's metaphor / your translation--entire language-- is wrong / you have the wrong attitude. When you catch him on a point he ignores it or becomes insulted by it. I would guess that since Consequent has done the research and has all the facts River will pretend to be insulted by him. He may have a different wrapper but inside is the same old baloney. He even used out of context Darwin quotes he lifted from a Christian Creationist site

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06-27-2003, 02:40 AM	#237
EstherRose Regular Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Arizona Posts: 183	To commit murder is wrong. To think that by suicide bombing, or as some refer to it, homicide bombing is a way to peace is foolishness. Islam means peace you say, yet you want to kill... Your daughter will grow up without a father. Assuming you really have one and have not just been playing games with those who aren't muslim.

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