HelenM

I think the fundamental tragedy is that people are being created who are not wanted and/or not able to be cared for appropriately.

Helen

brighid

Of course you are and I hope I didn't apply otherwise

Brighid

HelenM

...and, fwiw, some pro-life advocates know this and are involved trying to improve the environment.

Not all of them simply argue against/oppose abortion.

Helen

brighid

Yes, too bad there aren't more I think that those "pro-life" people and organizations that do nothing more then condemn women shouldn't be allowed to use the term but rather be more succinct in their portrayals and simply state the truth: anti-woman, pro-life for the unborn, but once they are born we couldn't give a shit less (and we will do everything in our power to remove the few resources available that help to make life easier/better.)

Brighid

fatherphil

so if a baby is born who is not wanted (maybe a girl instead of a boy) or not able to be cared for appropriately ( i have no idea of what you consider appropriate care) it would be better off dead?

HelenM

Can you explain how you got there from my comment?

Helen

fatherphil

when presented with the quality of life issue and the abortion issue, you stated the "fundamental" on the qol side.

YHWH666

I don’t know enough about biology to say when life begins. Clearly, after birth you are a person. And a zygote is just a grouping of cells, and lacks even a central nervous system. Unless you believe some intangible “soul” jumps in at the moment of conception then I can’t see why you would give a zygote any moral consideration.
But the period in between birth and shortly after conception I don’t know. An infant after birth and an infant ten minutes before birth don’t differ in any significant way (other than one not having been born). So there seems there is a point before birth that one becomes a human being worthy of moral consideration. I flunked biology so I don’t know enough to speculate precisely when that is.
However the wording of the poll seems to imply that just because you establish something as a human life then aborting it should be illegal. I don’t think deciding when an abortion is morally permissible should be the jurisdiction of the state.

yguy

Nobody who DIDN'T flunk biology does either.

Bad Kitty

Why did the SCOTUS draw the line at the third trimester?

What phenomal thing happens between the last day of the second trimester and the first day of the third trimester that suddenly changes the "blob of cells" into a "human fetus"?

Michelle