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Starspun · 07-07-2002, 04:27 PM

Howdy. What is our nearest relative (other than cousin Earl).

I assume the primate family, but, which? Chimpanze?

kwigibo · 07-07-2002, 04:49 PM

pygmy chimp or bonobo is generally considered closest

edited to add: phenotypically speaking, genetically, i guess chimps in general

[ July 07, 2002: Message edited by: kwigibo ]</p>

Monkeybot · 07-07-2002, 05:06 PM

I think you might get a better answer in Evolution/Creation.

kwigibo · 07-07-2002, 05:10 PM

well, after that blunt appraisal, i'm not sure i'd rate monkeybots very close to human, or humane for that matter

Starspun · 07-07-2002, 05:20 PM

After a quick search for bonobo, I found a site that basucally talks about the sexual aspect of Bonobo's. With a link to ethical hedonism.

I was looking for similarities on a scientific level. My mother stopped by and wanted to discuss religion for some strange reason. Anyway, she doesn't buy into the whole common ancestor thing. her exact words.

I feel weird being 30 and have to explain things to mom. especially things she doesnt want to believe in her old age.
Does religion still attempt to deflect the 98% dna (is 98% correct) fact? On what grounds and what is the best arguement for?

Blinn · 07-07-2002, 05:43 PM

You can see <a href="http://www.whozoo.org/mammals/Primates/primatephylogeny.htm" target="_blank">here</a> that bonobos & chimps split after their lineage split from the human lineage, so they are "equally" related as our closest relatives.

The <a href="http://www.gate.net/~rwms/hum_ape_chrom.html" target="_blank">Comparison of the Human and Great Ape Chromosomes as Evidence for Common Ancestry</a> is a nice example. I know my mom wouldn't comprehend it though.

Monkeybot · 07-07-2002, 06:18 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by kwigibo:
<strong>well, after that blunt appraisal, i'm not sure i'd rate monkeybots very close to human, or humane for that matter

</strong>

Check my edit in MD, sorry, I responded without reading the other responses

[ July 07, 2002: Message edited by: Monkeybot ]</p>

Dr.GH · 07-07-2002, 09:08 PM

This might help:

<a href="http://www.mnh.si.edu/anthro/humanorigins/faq/Encarta/encarta.htm" target="_blank">Resource Guide to Paleoanthropology</a>

And if you register with PNAS:

<a href="http://www.pnas.org/cgi/content/full/96/18/10254#Top" target="_blank">PNAS -- Johnson and Coffin </a>

Short answer is that we are most closly related to chimps (among the living nonhuman apes). The common ancestor between Homo and Pan is not known paleontologically (yet).

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kwigibo Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Gold Coast, QLD, Australia Posts: 5,814	pygmy chimp or bonobo is generally considered closest edited to add: phenotypically speaking, genetically, i guess chimps in general [ July 07, 2002: Message edited by: kwigibo ]</p>

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Monkeybot Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: North Carolina Posts: 8,102	I think you might get a better answer in Evolution/Creation.

07-07-2002, 05:10 PM	#4
kwigibo Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Gold Coast, QLD, Australia Posts: 5,814	well, after that blunt appraisal, i'm not sure i'd rate monkeybots very close to human, or humane for that matter

07-07-2002, 05:20 PM	#5
Starspun Regular Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 334	After a quick search for bonobo, I found a site that basucally talks about the sexual aspect of Bonobo's. With a link to ethical hedonism. I was looking for similarities on a scientific level. My mother stopped by and wanted to discuss religion for some strange reason. Anyway, she doesn't buy into the whole common ancestor thing. her exact words. I feel weird being 30 and have to explain things to mom. especially things she doesnt want to believe in her old age. Does religion still attempt to deflect the 98% dna (is 98% correct) fact? On what grounds and what is the best arguement for?

07-07-2002, 05:43 PM	#6
Blinn Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Ohio, USA Posts: 1,162	You can see <a href="http://www.whozoo.org/mammals/Primates/primatephylogeny.htm" target="_blank">here</a> that bonobos & chimps split after their lineage split from the human lineage, so they are "equally" related as our closest relatives. The <a href="http://www.gate.net/~rwms/hum_ape_chrom.html" target="_blank">Comparison of the Human and Great Ape Chromosomes as Evidence for Common Ancestry</a> is a nice example. I know my mom wouldn't comprehend it though.

07-07-2002, 09:08 PM	#8
Dr.GH Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Dana Point, Ca, USA Posts: 2,115	This might help: <a href="http://www.mnh.si.edu/anthro/humanorigins/faq/Encarta/encarta.htm" target="_blank">Resource Guide to Paleoanthropology</a> And if you register with PNAS: <a href="http://www.pnas.org/cgi/content/full/96/18/10254#Top" target="_blank">PNAS -- Johnson and Coffin </a> Short answer is that we are most closly related to chimps (among the living nonhuman apes). The common ancestor between Homo and Pan is not known paleontologically (yet).

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