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TollHouse · 03-04-2002, 05:33 PM

Granted the kid is only 15, but man!

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The dinosaurs were just lizards and no more.
Back in Those Days.. Things lived to be 600+ years according to the bible.. and a simple fact remains that Lizards never stop growing from the day theyre born to the day they die. So you see... it was easy for an iguana to get big enough to be an iguanadon because it was commonplace for things of that time to live hundreds of years. When God had the people and living things duration decrease.. so did the lizards, and therefore.. so did the dinosaurs.

[ March 04, 2002: Message edited by: TollHouse ]

Mecha_Dude · 03-04-2002, 05:37 PM

I'm 13 and can come up with something more intelligient then that...
Then again, he IS a YEC

tgamble · 03-04-2002, 05:51 PM

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Originally posted by TollHouse:
Granted the kid is only 15, but man!

<a href="http://www.christianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=6357" target="_blank">What's up with dinosaurs?</a>
[/b][ March 04, 2002: Message edited by: TollHouse ]

I've seen a similar claim only it's REPTILES that never stop growing.

<img src="graemlins/boohoo.gif" border="0" alt="[Boo Hoo]" />

Valentine Pontifex · 03-04-2002, 05:56 PM

Even if lizards did live forever and did not stop growing, dinosaurs simply do not look like any oversized version of any lizard I have seen. That guy's claims don't make sense even if you grant him his inane assumptions.

tgamble · 03-04-2002, 06:02 PM

>Unlike mammals, reptiles never stop growing. That is why dinosaurs got so big. A young, fertile, brachiosaurus does't have to be huge yet.

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Here's another pile of cretinists diarhea.

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I studied that carefully and you are seriously wrong about the gas and petroleum. [reffering to a previous post in reply to this <a href="http://tcboards.talkcity.com/cgi-bin/WebX.cgi?14@100.HmPNalXbtNz^17@.eeb2c71/918]" target="_blank">http://tcboards.talkcity.com/cgi-bin/WebX.cgi?14@100.HmPNalXbtNz^17@.eeb2c71/918]</a> I see what you're seeing and presenting as evidence, but it doesn't jibe with fact. I can see where you're missing the problem entirely. It definitely would have leaked out.

I will continue to fight evolution with fact because the evolutionists want to teach my loved ones and friends and anyone that their life doesn't matter, that they are just an accident of nature, that there is no reason they're here except to live without Jesus and die unnoticed and end up lost forever without Christ.

I teach classes against evolution and I tell people that God knew them even before they were born even as he told us through the prophet Jeremiah.

From particles to bacteria to fossils to whatever, it has been proven and it is been proven and will continue to be proven that man did not evolve.

An evolutionist cannot tell anyone how he got here except to say he evolved from an ape billions of years ago, but if you ask him to provide proof the fossils of all the ones who sacrificed their "lesser existence" so the "better and superior ones" can survive, they cannot tell you. They say that after billions of years, they simply disintegrated, but the honest evolutionists will say the truth that there is no proof and many of them have admitted they have no proof including Darwin.(if you don't believe it, then read carefully all of his writings and his "Origin of Species"

Don't start insulting the christians who are scientists because they have just as much right to study as the one who denied the God who bought them with his own blood.

Hoyle. Hoyle himself admitted and finally realized and said "the universe is a put up job."

Design is so obvious and design implies a Designer.

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scombrid · 03-04-2002, 06:06 PM

So the lizards fell with us when we sinned. Damn they must be mad. No wonder that skink bit me when I picked him up. He wasn't afraid afterall...He was just trying to get even for that original sin thingy-mah-jiggy.

Kevin Dorner · 03-04-2002, 06:09 PM

I dunno... I find the whole thing kind of sad. Here's a young person who could be coming up with real ideas (hey, at least he had one... good or bad. The mark of intellctual honesty is an ability to admit when one's hypotheses suck and throw them out instead of irrationally clinging to them, thinking one can't be wrong.)

Instead, to selfishly perpetuate their bronze-age mythology, his parents have so warped him off the path of reality that if he finally decides to study such things, he'll find he'll need years of his life to put back what they took away, time he could have been putting towards his profession. Not that he will ever view professions for which coming up with independent ideas is a skill with anything other than scorn and derision when they are done...

Utnapishtim · 03-04-2002, 10:24 PM

He'll simply end up as one of those fundies who believes in the vast evolution conspiracy to undermine God. It would appear that Christians have a vulnerability to persecution complexes <img src="graemlins/boohoo.gif" border="0" alt="[Boo Hoo]" />

tgamble · 03-05-2002, 03:35 AM

That's nothing compared to this:

I tell them that evolutionists are contrary to truth and fact. Their theories are based (for lack of a better word here) on assumptions, guesses and imiginary hopes. The evolutionist is deluded in that he is confused and totally without light.

He desperately seeks for some way to release himself from accountabiltiy to God so he rides the train of imaginary beginnings. He brazenly and unashamedly claims that there is no God who made him,and to whom he will give an account to, but rather he imagines that he is a 1 in 1000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,0 00,000,000,000,000,000, and 1000,000 more zeroes after those zeroes "happening "in an impartial universe which was blown into existence trillions of eons ago on a chance happening for no particular reason.

According to the evolutionist, trillions of years ago, or an eternity ago, a pinpoint of energy suddenly appeared in the nowhere of neverland and shook and shuddered and exploded for no reason whatsoever, and for any reason whatever, except the reason of God, the Creator. This teeny, tiny,itsy,bitsy,teeny,weeny,small,minute,barely visible dot? then convulsed some more and coughed so to speak and then colors and lights of massive energy appeared from nowhere, of course and for no reason and began to shape itself for no reason, planets and stars, galaxies, black holes, parallel universes, baby universes,bubble universes,pink universes, purple planets and pink elephant shaped nebulae, then for no reason at all and without any purpose, mountains formed and seas appeared.

Trillions and trillions of years went by again and then whales appeared from nowhere for no particular reason and so did birds who started singing for no reason whatsoever. Color was everywhere for no particular reason and then after that giant squid appeared, then apes and monkeys and reptiles, but the reptiles who never stop growing became dinosaurs so trillions of years went by and they all died for no particular reason. They just craoked and died and left all their bones for us to see so we could make "Jurrasic park" movies from looking at them.

Then gorillas and apes and monkeys and baboons and orangatans appeared for no particular reason again and after trillions of more years, the ape stood up and walked on his flat feet, and after a billion more years, he became a woman, then a man, then he suddenly decided to have a brain that thinks and it did and the people who made all this up are called evolutionists and the ones who call this lunacy in all it's strength and power are realists, the creationists who know that God created all things by the word of his power.

Evolutionists want to escape the judgement of God so this is their way out, but in reality, they will stand before God like the rest of us and answer for everything they did in their bodies. They will die and be buried as everyone is and live forever in either heaven with God or in hell with satan.

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Quetzal · 03-05-2002, 04:59 AM

Man oh man, tgamble! That "trujiBecky" is really out there. She rants on about "teaching" the falsity of evolution. Any ideas on who or where she's actually teaching? I want to make sure my kids don't go to that school when we head back to the good 'ol USofA one of these years...

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03-04-2002, 05:37 PM	#2
Mecha_Dude Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Everywhere... I'm Watching you... Posts: 1,019	I'm 13 and can come up with something more intelligient then that... Then again, he IS a YEC

03-04-2002, 05:56 PM	#4
Valentine Pontifex Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Orion Arm of the Milky Way Galaxy Posts: 3,092	Even if lizards did live forever and did not stop growing, dinosaurs simply do not look like any oversized version of any lizard I have seen. That guy's claims don't make sense even if you grant him his inane assumptions.

03-04-2002, 06:06 PM	#6
scombrid Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Central Florida Posts: 2,759	So the lizards fell with us when we sinned. Damn they must be mad. No wonder that skink bit me when I picked him up. He wasn't afraid afterall...He was just trying to get even for that original sin thingy-mah-jiggy.

03-04-2002, 06:09 PM	#7
Kevin Dorner Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada Posts: 762	I dunno... I find the whole thing kind of sad. Here's a young person who could be coming up with real ideas (hey, at least he had one... good or bad. The mark of intellctual honesty is an ability to admit when one's hypotheses suck and throw them out instead of irrationally clinging to them, thinking one can't be wrong.) Instead, to selfishly perpetuate their bronze-age mythology, his parents have so warped him off the path of reality that if he finally decides to study such things, he'll find he'll need years of his life to put back what they took away, time he could have been putting towards his profession. Not that he will ever view professions for which coming up with independent ideas is a skill with anything other than scorn and derision when they are done...

03-04-2002, 10:24 PM	#8
Utnapishtim Regular Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 330	He'll simply end up as one of those fundies who believes in the vast evolution conspiracy to undermine God. It would appear that Christians have a vulnerability to persecution complexes <img src="graemlins/boohoo.gif" border="0" alt="[Boo Hoo]" />

03-05-2002, 03:35 AM	#9
tgamble Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: St. John's, Nfld. Canada Posts: 1,652	That's nothing compared to this: I tell them that evolutionists are contrary to truth and fact. Their theories are based (for lack of a better word here) on assumptions, guesses and imiginary hopes. The evolutionist is deluded in that he is confused and totally without light. He desperately seeks for some way to release himself from accountabiltiy to God so he rides the train of imaginary beginnings. He brazenly and unashamedly claims that there is no God who made him,and to whom he will give an account to, but rather he imagines that he is a 1 in 1000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,0 00,000,000,000,000,000, and 1000,000 more zeroes after those zeroes "happening "in an impartial universe which was blown into existence trillions of eons ago on a chance happening for no particular reason. According to the evolutionist, trillions of years ago, or an eternity ago, a pinpoint of energy suddenly appeared in the nowhere of neverland and shook and shuddered and exploded for no reason whatsoever, and for any reason whatever, except the reason of God, the Creator. This teeny, tiny,itsy,bitsy,teeny,weeny,small,minute,barely visible dot? then convulsed some more and coughed so to speak and then colors and lights of massive energy appeared from nowhere, of course and for no reason and began to shape itself for no reason, planets and stars, galaxies, black holes, parallel universes, baby universes,bubble universes,pink universes, purple planets and pink elephant shaped nebulae, then for no reason at all and without any purpose, mountains formed and seas appeared. Trillions and trillions of years went by again and then whales appeared from nowhere for no particular reason and so did birds who started singing for no reason whatsoever. Color was everywhere for no particular reason and then after that giant squid appeared, then apes and monkeys and reptiles, but the reptiles who never stop growing became dinosaurs so trillions of years went by and they all died for no particular reason. They just craoked and died and left all their bones for us to see so we could make "Jurrasic park" movies from looking at them. Then gorillas and apes and monkeys and baboons and orangatans appeared for no particular reason again and after trillions of more years, the ape stood up and walked on his flat feet, and after a billion more years, he became a woman, then a man, then he suddenly decided to have a brain that thinks and it did and the people who made all this up are called evolutionists and the ones who call this lunacy in all it's strength and power are realists, the creationists who know that God created all things by the word of his power. Evolutionists want to escape the judgement of God so this is their way out, but in reality, they will stand before God like the rest of us and answer for everything they did in their bodies. They will die and be buried as everyone is and live forever in either heaven with God or in hell with satan. <a href="http://tcboards.talkcity.com/cgi-bin/WebX.cgi?14@39.9mG4atW2tmg^2@.eeb2c71/936" target="_blank">http://tcboards.talkcity.com/cgi-bin/WebX.cgi?14@39.9mG4atW2tmg^2@.eeb2c71/936</a>

03-05-2002, 04:59 AM	#10
Quetzal Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Ecuador Posts: 738	Man oh man, tgamble! That "trujiBecky" is really out there. She rants on about "teaching" the falsity of evolution. Any ideas on who or where she's actually teaching? I want to make sure my kids don't go to that school when we head back to the good 'ol USofA one of these years...

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