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AJ113 · 05-07-2003, 12:15 PM

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Originally posted by Magus55
Haven't you learned yet that making factual statements is a bad idea? You can't prove Heaven doesn't exist, so stop saying it doesn't.

OK let me see if I have got this right:
You're saying that making factual statements is not good?
Presumably you stick to this criterion yourself?
And so all your statements are - well - fiction?
I must be right. You can't be a christian without a cartload of made-up stuff.

You say I can't prove Heaven doesn't exist?
OK Magus, Show Me Heaven. Cover me.

gcameron · 05-07-2003, 12:35 PM

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Originally posted by Badfish
If man is destined for heaven, why do we have to go through the whole play of living out what was destined.

See what I mean?

Why not just create instant utopia, and avoid all the pain and heartache, both for humans and for God.

God is a screenwriter, and understands that a good story needs conflict.

bocajeff · 05-07-2003, 12:46 PM

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Originally posted by Bree
Where in the Bible is this situation described? I can't seem to find it.

I always wondered also when Paradise Lost became part of the Bible.

luvluv · 05-07-2003, 12:53 PM

My opinion is that you probably can but not by simple careless mistakes or ordinary garden variety sins.

In my opinion it would take outright rebellion and an attempted coup, as the Bible hints that Satan attempted, to get one thrown out of Heaven.

I think there will be free will and therefore sin in Heaven for a while, until everyone there perfects their behavior.

Of course, my opinion on this plus a buck fifty will get you a ride on the subway.

BioBeing · 05-07-2003, 12:56 PM

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Originally posted by GrandDesigner
The way I once saw it is that Satan, the devil thing sometimes referenced in the Bible or other places, was below humans. Meaning we are closer to God than Satan. But Satan tried to drag us down enough to actually look up to Him. To a position where He could judge someone and they'd believe it.

But Satan was once God's chosen messenger, wasn't he? Flitting down to Job to test him and all that. How does that make hime less than humans? To have had such a role he must have been more, once.

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One way to drag people down, for instance, is to distract them into thinking they're worshipping or praising something else but really they're praising another..possibly jealous, maybe, God.

So are you saying that the Bible is the work of Satan? I mean, the God mentioned therein seems very petty and jealous.

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What happens when the 'shroud of the dark side' is lifted, however, is truth shines clear. But not only to us, but to Satan, the dark lord, himself. Can you imagine Satan getting butterflies in His stomach? Thats funny.

If there is such a being as Satan, I believe He has His own things to worry about now and is not concerned with misleading anyone anymore.

So what is Satan worrying about? And if Satan isn't running around causing all the grief and evil in the world like some would have us believe, then who is? God?

Bree · 05-07-2003, 01:04 PM

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Originally posted by bocajeff
I always wondered also when Paradise Lost became part of the Bible.

Oh good, I'm not the only one who questions this.

Apparently Milton was just as inspired as say, Luke or Matthew?

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05-07-2003, 12:53 PM	#34
luvluv Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Planet Lovetron Posts: 3,919	My opinion is that you probably can but not by simple careless mistakes or ordinary garden variety sins. In my opinion it would take outright rebellion and an attempted coup, as the Bible hints that Satan attempted, to get one thrown out of Heaven. I think there will be free will and therefore sin in Heaven for a while, until everyone there perfects their behavior. Of course, my opinion on this plus a buck fifty will get you a ride on the subway.

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