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keyser_soze · 05-31-2003, 08:09 AM

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Originally posted by Haran
One might need to look in the mirror with a statement like this...

Care to elaborate?

malookiemaloo · 06-06-2003, 02:16 AM

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Originally posted by Wayin
Off the topic, although I must ask....
M, Do you really believe that all those lambs - goats and other creatures that where slaughtered really would have believed this (loving His creatures)... O and I`m sure those horses that had there hamstrings cut (Joshua 11:6) where so happy that there creator wanted them to suffer such a cruel death...... I'm sure all the animals loved the swimming lesson in the days of Noah too huh?
:banghead:

Such is life!
Wayin

Tell me. What do you think when you sit down to a steak?

m

keyser_soze · 06-06-2003, 04:29 AM

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Originally posted by malookiemaloo
Tell me. What do you think when you sit down to a steak?

m

I bet he's thinking..." Man, they didn't torture that damned cow like they were supposed too!"

Then again, that would seem a typical christian thought process, so maybe he didn't.

Besides, we eat animals because it is our nature to do so..we don't pass judgement on them, or punish them because they show inadequate amounts of honor for the priviledge of being our food. We also don't damn them to an eternity of suffering for not properly kissing up to us.

Paul Baxter · 06-06-2003, 05:12 AM

Does anyone here think piety is a proper virtue, as the Greeks and Romans did? Piety, for the sake of discussion, is giving honor to those to whom honor is due. Thus ancients honored god or gods as creator and protector; kings as benefactors and protectors and lawgivers; parents as source of life and nurturers; etc.

Impiety, in ancient times (which they also caled atheism--one of the charges levelled at Socrates), was considered something of a crime against nature and society as a whole.

Just curious about the range of y'all's opinions on this. Were they all wrong. Anyone care to take the position that piety was good then but bad now? Or just that it was ok except for the god part?

malookiemaloo · 06-06-2003, 05:22 AM

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Originally posted by Paul Baxter
Does anyone here think piety is a proper virtue, as the Greeks and Romans did? Piety, for the sake of discussion, is giving honor to those to whom honor is due. Thus ancients honored god or gods as creator and protector; kings as benefactors and protectors and lawgivers; parents as source of life and nurturers; etc.

Impiety, in ancient times (which they also caled atheism--one of the charges levelled at Socrates), was considered something of a crime against nature and society as a whole.

Just curious about the range of y'all's opinions on this. Were they all wrong. Anyone care to take the position that piety was good then but bad now? Or just that it was ok except for the god part?

Think I've lost the thread here.

m

malookiemaloo · 06-06-2003, 05:24 AM

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Originally posted by keyser_soze
I bet he's thinking..." Man, they didn't torture that damned cow like they were supposed too!"

Then again, that would seem a typical christian thought process, so maybe he didn't. Besides, we eat animals because it is our nature to do so..we don't pass judgement on them, or punish them because they show inadequate amounts of honor for the priviledge of being our food. We also don't damn them to an eternity of suffering for not properly kissing up to us.

Not quite with you on the animals thing? Passing judgement on them??

m

keyser_soze · 06-06-2003, 05:28 AM

Yes, you insinuated(whether intentional or not) that we eat animals thus the tortuous death of the horses in the statement you responded too would be of equal value. However, we kill to eat, and try not to torture the animals in the process. We also do not judge the animals, as god apparently did. Therefore, just in case the idea occurred to you that god is over us, in the way that we are over animals, I provided a three step ahead analogy to cover any eventualities in your line of reason.

malookiemaloo · 06-06-2003, 05:40 AM

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Originally posted by keyser_soze
Yes, you insinuated(whether intentional or not) that we eat animals thus the tortuous death of the horses in the statement you responded too would be of equal value. However, we kill to eat, and try not to torture the animals in the process. We also do not judge the animals, as god apparently did. Therefore, just in case the idea occurred to you that god is over us, in the way that we are over animals, I provided a three step ahead analogy to cover any eventualities in your line of reason.

Ever stepped on a cockroach?

m

keyser_soze · 06-06-2003, 05:54 AM

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Originally posted by malookiemaloo
Ever stepped on a cockroach?

m

Ever done it for pleasure? Or because it failed to be reverential enough of your existence?

malookiemaloo · 06-06-2003, 05:56 AM

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Originally posted by keyser_soze
Ever done it for pleasure? Or because it failed to be reverential enough of your existence?

OK it's getting silly now.

Point taken, though.

m

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06-06-2003, 05:12 AM	#24
Paul Baxter Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Mebane, NC Posts: 64	Does anyone here think piety is a proper virtue, as the Greeks and Romans did? Piety, for the sake of discussion, is giving honor to those to whom honor is due. Thus ancients honored god or gods as creator and protector; kings as benefactors and protectors and lawgivers; parents as source of life and nurturers; etc. Impiety, in ancient times (which they also caled atheism--one of the charges levelled at Socrates), was considered something of a crime against nature and society as a whole. Just curious about the range of y'all's opinions on this. Were they all wrong. Anyone care to take the position that piety was good then but bad now? Or just that it was ok except for the god part?

06-06-2003, 05:28 AM	#27
keyser_soze Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: god's judge (pariah) Posts: 1,281	Yes, you insinuated(whether intentional or not) that we eat animals thus the tortuous death of the horses in the statement you responded too would be of equal value. However, we kill to eat, and try not to torture the animals in the process. We also do not judge the animals, as god apparently did. Therefore, just in case the idea occurred to you that god is over us, in the way that we are over animals, I provided a three step ahead analogy to cover any eventualities in your line of reason.

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