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Old 06-23-2003, 03:10 AM   #21
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Does anyone besides me consider it a possibility that it was just well hidden and we haven't found it yet?
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Does anyone besides me consider it a possibility that it was just well hidden and we haven't found it yet?
I think it's possible that some will be found. And the Bushies will make a big deal about it. And the few Americans who care about being told the truth will be cowed and Bush will come out smelling like a rose.

But I don't think there will be nearly as much found as we were led to believe and almost definitely they did not pose an imminent threat to the US.

So our govt. has broken international law and set a horrible precedent for practically no good reason.

Is Bush the worst (considering the power he possesses) president in the foreign affairs field we've ever had or is he just getting warmed up?
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Does anyone besides me consider it a possibility that it was just well hidden and we haven't found it yet?
"The fact that we haven't found them yet just proves how good Saddam is at hiding them."

"The fact we haven't found any gods yet just proves they don't want to be found."


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well that flies in the face of Rumsfeld's assertions that we knew right where they were and Powell's UN show and tell of recon photos of supposed WMD containing bunkers. Prior to the war we supposedly knew where and how much and had pictures. Now we can't find residue.

When you consider that the 520 acre British test island Guinard was still antrax contaminated to a depth of several feet in the soil 55 years after one flock of sheep was sprayed in a biowar test, the notion of producing, storing, moving, even destroying 25,000 gallons of anthrax with no residue or tells at all is more than a bit much to accept. In 1986 an English company was paid half a million pounds to decontaminate the 520-acre Guinard Island by soaking the ground in 280 tonnes of formaldehyde diluted in 2000 tonnes of seawater, and there's still some experts that don't believe it's safe.

The reality is that Bush intended to invade regardless and WMD was just the public rationale, and so far it's still working, with a large number of Mullet-wearing Americans actually thinking the weapons have already been found. Of course they also think Elvis is coming back in a flying saucer.
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I think its obvious that Bush and the cabal that pused for this war believed that the weapons were there. Even though the intel suggested otherwise they had "faith" that he possessed the weapons. The reason I say this is if they knew that the weapons did not exist then they would have formulated some plan to cover the abscence after the invasion.
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I think its obvious that Bush and the cabal that pused for this war believed that the weapons were there. Even though the intel suggested otherwise they had "faith" that he possessed the weapons. The reason I say this is if they knew that the weapons did not exist then they would have formulated some plan to cover the abscence after the invasion.
Agreed. While Bush is stupid, he's got competent advisors. They wouldn't have lied in a way that would become so obvious.
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Old 06-23-2003, 03:00 PM   #28
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Originally posted by ex-idaho I think its obvious that Bush and the cabal that pused for this war believed that the weapons were there. Even though the intel suggested otherwise they had "faith" that he possessed the weapons. The reason I say this is if they knew that the weapons did not exist then they would have formulated some plan to cover the abscence after the invasion.
I don't think it's so obvious. First, because the plan may exist. I still believe that if pressure becomes too strong to bear, the WMDs will magically be found. It might even be a political plot: waiting to find the WMDs until the Democrats use the missing WMDs card in force, to ridicule them.

Second, because so far Bush & co. are getting away very well with lies. The alleged evidence of a nuclear weapons program, shown as fake by the UN; the alleged links between Saddam and Al'Qaida, refuted by every intelligence agency around the world. Why the WMDs should be any different?


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Just once I would like to hav the media call him on this nonsense. For the WMD's to have been looted is unfeasable. According to his own documents there hundreds of thousands of tons material you can't just walk off with that sort of thing. On top of that if the facilities were looted there would still be evidence such as manufacturing facilities and contamination of storage facilities. We have found nothing.
Heh Heh..... Maybe the Bush EPA should hire some of those Iraqi looters to clean up superfund sites here in the USA. After all, those looters seem to have done a remarkably good job cleaning up all the traces of those highly dangerous chemicals and biological agents that were stored at Iraq's extensive WMD facilities -- and they apparently were able to do so "on time and under budget", in stark contrast to the hoplessly inept EPA here in the States...
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