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Old 01-02-2003, 09:00 PM   #51
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AIF, don't you feel somewhat bad about coming on this board and making fun of your grandmother's belief? It is one thing to hold a different view from her, but it quite another to exploit her beliefs (for the sake of humor?) on a message board.

This issue isn't whether Purgatory exists or doesn't exist. If you were interested in discussing this, you could have started a thread on Purgatory without the story about your grandmother. You obviously had respect for her as a person. Respect her beliefs and don't make fun of them on her account.

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However absurd you perceive the beliefs of your grandmother, do not bring dishonor to her memory by laughing at what she held dear. This is not about religious belief or lack of such belief, it is about honor.

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Old 01-02-2003, 09:03 PM   #52
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I'm quite certain that he was killed by McDuff. The witches said that "no man born of woman" can kill MacBeth, but MacDuff was "from his mother's womb untimely ripped" and apparently that doesn't count as being born of woman.

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Right on, and MacDuff represents a fornicated rebirth. MacBeth was the ego or persona which is an illusion and therefore cannot be killed by a man born of woman but can easily be killed (or overpowered) when born again.
 
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If what she held dear was repugnant and absurd, I will laugh at it all I want. Besides, she wasn't raised Catholic, she was raised Lutheran. She didn't join your "faith" until she married a Catholic back in the 1940's. I doubt that she really believed all of this superstitious nonsense.
 
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If what she held dear was repugnant and absurd, I will laugh at it all I want. Besides, she wasn't raised Catholic, she was raised Lutheran. She didn't join your "faith" until she married a Catholic back in the 1940's. I doubt that she really believed all of this superstitious nonsense.
AIF, laugh, but not at her expense and not on a message board. The beliefs obviously meant something to her.

May your grandchildren bring you more reverence than you have brought your grandmother.

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Old 01-03-2003, 07:45 AM   #55
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I remember that line and I concluded here that he died like an "iron fool" instead. The Roman fool makes reference to Rome and their way of crucifying the ego.
Now I know that you tend to interpret nearly everything according to your own unusual viewpoint, Amos , but the reference is to the Roman tradition whereby disgraced or defeated generals would fall on their sword rather than surrender. Macbeth knows that he can't win the battle; but rather than commit suicide or surrender to Malcolm, he wants to go down fighting.
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Now I know that you tend to interpret nearly everything according to your own unusual viewpoint, Amos , but the reference is to the Roman tradition whereby disgraced or defeated generals would fall on their sword rather than surrender. Macbeth knows that he can't win the battle; but rather than commit suicide or surrender to Malcolm, he wants to go down fighting.
Right, mecca, and Macbeth could not be persuaded to unconscious surrender: "And damned be him who first cries 'Hold, enough!'" which are a denial of the words Jesus spoke "Eli, Eli lema sabachthani" -- which was the Roman way to die.

The problem was that MacBeth did not to kill the serpent represented by lady MacBeth who was on the forefront where she did not belong: We've scorched the snake, not killed it./ She'll close and be herself, whilst our poor malice/ remains in danger of her former tooth" (III.ii.13-15). This means that Macbeth would never be able to raise the serpent (into the upper room), and I think that her role play should have been usurped by lady MacDuff who only could have passified her determination to succeed and so agony prevailed until the bitter end in the mind of MacBeth/Lady MacBeth-- who hath no other name but lady Macbeth to indicate that she was of the same conscious mind as MacBeth (the structure of command was missing in the life of Macbeth).

It's a nice play Mecca but too bad that it is a slam against the Church of England.
 
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[b]Thank you, Gemma Therese. It would have taken me hours to find a Christian Web Site as silly as that one. I've even posted it into the Jokes Forum so all the Infidels can laugh at it.

Here's the link.
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[ December 20, 2002: Message edited by: atheist_in_foxhole ]</p>
Oh yes, sorry about the wait. Between the conversion and trying to get used to the new forum style, I've been trying to catch up on old threads.

Anyway, here's the story:

I spent several years in the USAF stationed in Charleston, SC, a coastal city that was devastated in 1989 by Hurricane Hugo. You'll still hear about it on many of the tours of the area's attractions. Anyway, I forget which year and what storm it was, but there was a good size hurricane heading towards the SC coast, due for a Monday/Tuesday arrival. So, sometime late morning of Sunday, the storm starts to turn towards the north, and we were spared the brunt of it. We still had some high winds and periods of heavy rain, but nothing the area isn't used to during severe thunderstorms. Wilmington, NC on the other hand, got heavily hit yet again with the full force of the storm as it came onshore.

A week or two passes and someone writes a letter to the editor, which I'll briefly paraphrase here: "Gee. Wasn't it amazing how [the storm] turned away from us around 10am Sunday morning? And where were people at 10am on Sunday? At church, praying for the storm to spare us."

Well, I'm chuckling reading this letter, which I then pass on to my wife, who doesn't claim any religion as her own, but is a theist, and she says, "Wow. I guess those people in Wilmington just weren't praying hard enough." HA HA HA! It was classic! That just helped reinforce to me the ineffectiveness of prayer.
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[B]Thank you, Gemma Therese. It would have taken me hours to find a Christian Web Site as silly as that one. I've even posted it into the Jokes Forum so all the Infidels can laugh at it.

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Its now been moved to, "ELSEWHERE".
If you go there you'll see lots and lots of Infidels have been laughing at it. Keep the laughs coming.
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My grandmother was a good woman in a lot of ways and had a positive impact on my life. She was also a racist, and I have no qualms about making fun of her for it. I'm not going to place her above criticism or mockery just because she's related to me.

Insisting that certain people should not be criticized because they deserve extra "honor" and "respect" is a common trick among authoritarian institutions who don't want people to question their leaders. Only when we understand that we are all human, and that a title, a uniform, or ceremonial regalia do not confer special rights, will we be free from tyranny.
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