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Old 01-02-2003, 12:32 AM   #31
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First of all thank you for criticising my Book. Here are some replies.

Hello Nijjhar, I did not read much of your FIRST GNOSTIC PRINCIPLES OF ONE GOD ONE FAITH because I noticed an error in the very beginning, which was crucial, I thought:

Then Jesus told him, "I have come into the world to give sight to those who are spiritually alive and to show those who think they see(in the "letters") that they are blind".

Nijjhar, you must be wrong here because "[Jesus] came into this world to divide it, to make the sightless see and the seeing blind."

No. In Jesus, you become solitary in knowledge and no one follow other as the blind in spirit do. But in order to understand Gospel, you must be spiritually awake capable of reasoning logically. That is called intuition.

If your mind is not awake, you cannot acquire Gospel.


Just to mention, I received this spark of Light from my late father and have understood the Gospel through intuition.

Sorry Nijjhar, God has no grandchildren.

My father in flesh.

In the Bible, this Age has been summarised as Adam and Eve living in the company of God(KHUDA, BRAHMA or Yahweh) and enjoying the fruits of the Garden of Eden.

Sorry Nijjhar but Adam and Eve never lived in the garden of Eden but man and woman did and when their eyes were opened they first realized that they were naked. So the name Adam and Eve makes reference to their ego, and in my opinion a gnostic should never make this mistake.

Adam and Eve are mythological figures in flesh. They were NOT real.

KINGDOM OF HEAVEN: Kingdom of heaven is for the "sons of Man",

Sorry Nijjhar, the sons of man must mature and become fully man before heaven can be theirs. The Children of Israel remained "sons of man" and therefore died. Your idea of hell is wrong as well.

Jews, Hindu, Sikh, etc of the flesh and not of the spirit cannot be the sons of Man or religious people.

If Jesus were to return to-day, He would be very much surprised and upset to find so many of the denominations.

Why should Jesus come back if you are his "younger brother."

Just an imagination of the blind in spirit people.

Islam stands for one's "SUBMISSION TO THE WILL OF GOD"

Interesting. So where is their victory?

Islam is not of the politics as politics is of the tribes. Islam is of the individual heart.

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Old 01-02-2003, 06:19 AM   #32
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No. In Jesus, you become solitary in knowledge and no one follow other as the blind in spirit do. But in order to understand Gospel, you must be spiritually awake capable of reasoning logically. That is called intuition.


In Christ we become solitary individual and are set free from religion and social oppression (Paul was singing in prison). We then recognize that our ego is the enemy and follow the footsteps of Jesus towards Calvary where we nail our Jesus identity to the cross. By 'we' I mean Mary and company who forces this event from behind the scene.
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My father in flesh.


And flesh begets flesh. The mention of your father sounds gracious is a dead give away that flesh prevails. Any reader of with spiritual eyes will recognize that you are your fathers' son and here you are to tell us how you became the incarnation of your father in heaven (brother of Jesus and Christ incarnate).
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Adam and Eve are mythological figures in flesh. They were NOT real.


Adam and Eve as mythical figures are just as real as your own ego because they caused the the fall of man just as your own ego caused your fall as man in the image of God.
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Jews, Hindu, Sikh, etc of the flesh and not of the spirit cannot be the sons of Man or religious people.


They are religious people (flesh), but not son of man (spirit).
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Just an imagination of the blind in spirit people.


Yes I understand, however, the number of denominations is irrelevant because we must be lost from the right flock in that John the baptist must make the precondition of salvation possible.
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Islam is not of the politics as politics is of the tribes. Islam is of the individual heart.



And still a religion? Gnostics cannot have a religion because that would create the paradox of "belonging to freedom." Religions are for sinners. They must lead men of good will astray and deep into the jungle of life only from where the alienation of the human heart from the true identity is visible.

Sorry I have never used italics but it should not be that difficult.
 
Old 01-02-2003, 07:54 AM   #33
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No. In Jesus, you become solitary in knowledge and no one follow other as the blind in spirit do. But in order to understand Gospel, you must be spiritually awake capable of reasoning logically. That is called intuition.
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In Christ we become solitary individual and are set free from religion and social oppression (Paul was singing in prison). We then recognize that our ego is the enemy and follow the footsteps of Jesus towards Calvary where we nail our Jesus identity to the cross. By 'we' I mean Mary and company who forces this event from behind the scene.
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You seem to be interesting. Yes ego is the enmy of spirit.
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My father in flesh.
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And flesh begets flesh. The mention of your father sounds gracious is a dead give away that flesh prevails. Any reader of with spiritual eyes will recognize that you are your fathers' son and here you are to tell us how you became the incarnation of your father in heaven (brother of Jesus and Christ incarnate).
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Here you seem to be lost. Tell me if flesh begets flesh, then how could God create Adam and Eve, mythological figures?
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Adam and Eve are mythological figures in flesh. They were NOT real.
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Adam and Eve as mythical figures are just as real as your own ego because they caused the the fall of man just as your own ego caused your fall as man in the image of God.
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What ego do I display?

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Jews, Hindu, Sikh, etc of the flesh and not of the spirit cannot be the sons of Man or religious people.
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They are religious people (flesh), but not son of man (spirit).
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I do not agree with you.

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Just an imagination of the blind in spirit people.
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Yes I understand, however, the number of denominations is irrelevant because we must be lost from the right flock in that John the baptist must make the precondition of salvation possible.
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In whose name John was baptising men only?

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Islam is not of the politics as politics is of the tribes. Islam is of the individual heart.


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And still a religion? Gnostics cannot have a religion because that would create the paradox of "belonging to freedom." Religions are for sinners. They must lead men of good will astray and deep into the jungle of life only from where the alienation of the human heart from the true identity is visible.

Sorry I have never used italics but it should not be that difficult.

[i] You cannot sin against God. [/]
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And flesh begets flesh. The mention of your father sounds gracious is a dead give away that flesh prevails. Any reader of with spiritual eyes will recognize that you are your fathers' son and here you are to tell us how you became the incarnation of your father in heaven (brother of Jesus and Christ incarnate).
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Here you seem to be lost. Tell me if flesh begets flesh, then how could God create Adam and Eve, mythological figures?


I am not lost but I think it is wrong to dedicate your book to your father because if you are a gnostic you are a gnostic despite your father. With all respect, you are your fathers son, but it is only your father in heaven who can make you a gnostic. Just my perception, that's all.
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Adam and Eve are mythological figures in flesh. They were NOT real.
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Adam and Eve as mythical figures are just as real as your own ego because they caused the the fall of man just as your own ego caused your fall as man in the image of God.
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What ego do I display?


Sorry, you did not display your ego but I made a reference to the ego you described in your book.

My position here is that God created man in Gen.1, Lord God formed man and created woman out of man in Gen.2 who were both naked to wit and felt no shame (Gen.2:25). Later in Gen.3 their eyes were opened but not until they ate from the tree of knowledge after which time they felt shame. This means that the opening of their eyes was equal to the the formation of their conscious awareness whereupon they built their ego and felt shame (no ego equals no shame as is clear from hypnosis).

This makes the ego an illusion, indeed, but its effect upon us is real nonetheless. This same ego is later to be crucified and recalled into the upper room where it is placed behind our intuition-- which itself is the memory of our soul become rational knowledge while in purgatory.
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In whose name John was baptising men only?

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Sure, but with religion out of the way, John was born from the netherworld of the subconscious mind and from there he paves the way for salvation. It just makes for an easy way to reach the end and signifies that the melancholy of Jesus was involutionary and hence 'woman' pulled the strings from behind the scene in the full absense of his father Joseph (hint).
 
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And flesh begets flesh. The mention of your father sounds gracious is a dead give away that flesh prevails. Any reader of with spiritual eyes will recognize that you are your fathers' son and here you are to tell us how you became the incarnation of your father in heaven (brother of Jesus and Christ incarnate).
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Here you seem to be lost. Tell me if flesh begets flesh, then how could God create Adam and Eve, mythological figures?
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I am not lost but I think it is wrong to dedicate your book to your father because if you are a gnostic you are a gnostic despite your father. With all respect, you are your fathers son, but it is only your father in heaven who can make you a gnostic. Just my perception, that's all.

Yes you have a great point. It is with the grace of God that you understand His Word but seekers do honour those from whom they are initiated into this line of thinking.
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Adam and Eve are mythological figures in flesh. They were NOT real.
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Adam and Eve as mythical figures are just as real as your own ego because they caused the the fall of man just as your own ego caused your fall as man in the image of God.
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What ego do I display?
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Sorry, you did not display your ego but I made a reference to the ego you described in your book.

My position here is that God created man in Gen.1, Lord God formed man and created woman out of man in Gen.2 who were both naked to wit and felt no shame (Gen.2:25). Later in Gen.3 their eyes were opened but not until they ate from the tree of knowledge after which time they felt shame. This means that the opening of their eyes was equal to the the formation of their conscious awareness whereupon they built their ego and felt shame (no ego equals no shame as is clear from hypnosis).

This makes the ego an illusion, indeed, but its effect upon us is real nonetheless. This same ego is later to be crucified and recalled into the upper room where it is placed behind our intuition-- which itself is the memory of our soul become rational knowledge while in purgatory.

First of all God is not the creator of what you see with your two naked eyes but the essence of creation that you perceive with your third eye of logical reasoning. There is a mythological demi-god called Yahweh/Brahma, who is the creator and they are mythological natural demi-gods. Such gods are revengeful and jealous too.
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In whose name John was baptising men only?

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Sure, but with religion out of the way, John was born from the netherworld of the subconscious mind and from there he paves the way for salvation. It just makes for an easy way to reach the end and signifies that the melancholy of Jesus was involutionary and hence 'woman' pulled the strings from behind the scene in the full absense of his father Joseph (hint).

John was baptising the men only in the name of Abraham.
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