Freethought & Rationalism Archive

winstonjen · 05-06-2003, 02:03 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Fenton Mulley
What the heck is impiled by "good pleasure".

It means that having fun is forbidden in heaven.

Whereas in Hell, we can SIN FOR ETERNITY!!

All right!

yguy · 05-06-2003, 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by hezekiah jones
Originally posted by yguy
You can't rightly draw such an inference from the writings of Paul without taking them absurdly out of context.

Why not. "Saved By Grace Alone," which is how I've been characterizing this alleged doctrine from the outset, sets "Grace," which comes from "Faith," against "Works." That much is clear from Ephesians.

So how do we logically get from salvation by grace alone to letting the neighbor's house burn down? Why would a person saved by grace have license to be a self-indulgent slob?

If I saved you from drowning, would you celebrate by raping a woman? If not, what makes you think a Christian would show comparable ingratitude?

Quote:

I never said it was. The fat guy from Eau Claire I described was a True Believer�. True Belief� obtains from a whole mess of metaphysical gibberish, so you can't legitimately and objectively challenge Eau Claire guy's beliefs.

I have no idea who this is, or if he is even real, so I'm sure as heck not about to answer for him.

Quote:

I'm not "spitting on Christianity," and once again don't appreciate having such a sentiment attributed to me, and probably neither do many of the "rest of them."

My apologies. I retract it in your case. The rest of you know who you are.

Yellum Notnef · 05-06-2003, 02:17 PM

I go away for a couple hours and come back to find that Jesus lost his genitals sometime during his trip up to Heaven.

I love you guys.

hezekiah jones · 05-06-2003, 02:33 PM

Originally posted by yguy
So how do we logically get from salvation by grace alone to letting the neighbor's house burn down?

He may want to save his neighbor's house for his own reasons, or his neighbor's reasons, but for the purposes of salvation, saving his neighbor's house means nothing. "Works are dead," as they say.

Originally posted by yguy
Why would a person saved by grace have license to be a self-indulgent slob?

The answer is right there in your question. The fact [sic] that he is "Saved By Grace Alone" is his license.

Originally posted by yguy
If I saved you from drowning, would you celebrate by raping a woman? If not, what makes you think a Christian would show comparable ingratitude?

Eh? Even if I did "celebrate" by raping a woman, I could still be "Saved By Grace Alone," or at the very least, repent on my deathbad after a life filled with all manner of vile debauchery. Of course "Saved By Grace Alone" is a ridiculous, and one might even say vicious and abhorrent, spiritual doctrine. But I am pretty sure many varieties of Protestant espouse it.

I would like to see one of them defend it, that's all.

Originally posted by yguy
My apologies.

Accepted. I hereby declare thee, "Saved By Grace Alone."

hezekiah jones · 05-06-2003, 02:44 PM

Originally posted by Fenton Mulley
I go away for a couple hours and come back to find that Jesus lost his genitals sometime during his trip up to Heaven.

The contents of Jeff Dahmer's celebrated cooking pot. Another mystery solved.

DoubleDutchy · 05-06-2003, 03:18 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by yguy
Seems common-sensical to me; so I'll stick with it until somebody shows me why I'm wrong.

Is common sense relevant in these matters ? Surprising.

hezekiah jones · 05-07-2003, 05:24 AM

Magus?

Darth Dane · 05-07-2003, 05:32 AM

So if Jesus is tricked by idle boasting, and finds out about it later, can Jesus then downgrade the boaster's status from Heaven to Hell?

I believe God->Jesus knows evrything you did and do. So Jesus coudln't find out about it later, When you stand at the gate to heaven, Jesus KNOWS ALL about you NOW

Thats how I understand it anyways.

DD - Love Spliff

hezekiah jones · 05-07-2003, 05:38 AM

Originally posted by Darth Dane
Thats how I understand it anyways.

So you're not a "Saved By Grace Alone" kinda guy? You have to do some works to obtain salvation?

Darth Dane · 05-07-2003, 05:49 AM

So you're not a "Saved By Grace Alone" kinda guy? You have to do some works to obtain salvation?

No, all of us is saved, and have always been saved. We are forevr always walking in the grace of God, and Yes even the "bad" things is by the grace of God.

The thing is, that I usually see the logic employed by others, and follow their logic. Usually I find faulty viewpoints within teh logic they employ.

It's like this kinda:

Everything is allowed
Not everything is advisable to do

DD - Love Spliff

Thread Tools	Search this Thread
Show Printable Version	Search this Thread: Advanced Search

05-06-2003, 02:17 PM	#63
Yellum Notnef Banned Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Gone Posts: 4,676	I go away for a couple hours and come back to find that Jesus lost his genitals sometime during his trip up to Heaven. I love you guys.

05-06-2003, 02:33 PM	#64
hezekiah jones Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: WI Posts: 4,357	Originally posted by yguy So how do we logically get from salvation by grace alone to letting the neighbor's house burn down? He may want to save his neighbor's house for his own reasons, or his neighbor's reasons, but for the purposes of salvation, saving his neighbor's house means nothing. "Works are dead," as they say. Originally posted by yguy Why would a person saved by grace have license to be a self-indulgent slob? The answer is right there in your question. The fact [sic] that he is "Saved By Grace Alone" is his license. Originally posted by yguy If I saved you from drowning, would you celebrate by raping a woman? If not, what makes you think a Christian would show comparable ingratitude? Eh? Even if I did "celebrate" by raping a woman, I could still be "Saved By Grace Alone," or at the very least, repent on my deathbad after a life filled with all manner of vile debauchery. Of course "Saved By Grace Alone" is a ridiculous, and one might even say vicious and abhorrent, spiritual doctrine. But I am pretty sure many varieties of Protestant espouse it. I would like to see one of them defend it, that's all. Originally posted by yguy My apologies. Accepted. I hereby declare thee, "Saved By Grace Alone."

05-06-2003, 02:44 PM	#65
hezekiah jones Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: WI Posts: 4,357	Originally posted by Fenton Mulley I go away for a couple hours and come back to find that Jesus lost his genitals sometime during his trip up to Heaven. The contents of Jeff Dahmer's celebrated cooking pot. Another mystery solved.

05-07-2003, 05:24 AM	#67
hezekiah jones Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: WI Posts: 4,357	Magus?

05-07-2003, 05:32 AM	#68
Darth Dane Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Required Posts: 2,349	So if Jesus is tricked by idle boasting, and finds out about it later, can Jesus then downgrade the boaster's status from Heaven to Hell? I believe God->Jesus knows evrything you did and do. So Jesus coudln't find out about it later, When you stand at the gate to heaven, Jesus KNOWS ALL about you NOW Thats how I understand it anyways. DD - Love Spliff

05-07-2003, 05:38 AM	#69
hezekiah jones Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: WI Posts: 4,357	Originally posted by Darth Dane Thats how I understand it anyways. So you're not a "Saved By Grace Alone" kinda guy? You have to do some works to obtain salvation?

05-07-2003, 05:49 AM	#70
Darth Dane Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Required Posts: 2,349	So you're not a "Saved By Grace Alone" kinda guy? You have to do some works to obtain salvation? No, all of us is saved, and have always been saved. We are forevr always walking in the grace of God, and Yes even the "bad" things is by the grace of God. The thing is, that I usually see the logic employed by others, and follow their logic. Usually I find faulty viewpoints within teh logic they employ. It's like this kinda: Everything is allowed Not everything is advisable to do DD - Love Spliff

Freethought & Rationalism Archive

The archives are read only.