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Dr Rick · 02-14-2003, 08:36 PM

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Originally posted by Radorth
Ah, so you finally admit I answered them but you don't like the answers. Just as I said.

He's politely and directly implying that you haven't answered the questions; the word "answers" is in quotations and your responses are clearly labelled as "lacking" and "dodges."

There's no justification in characterising these harsh criticisms of your posts as an admission of anything when you are being rebuked.

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That is the question I said I answered. I specifically answered why Jesus died the way he did in a post to Dr Rick. You didn't read the thread, Jayjay, or you are just lying.

Me, too; please prove that I'm also a liar or didn't read the thread by re-posting your answer for all to see.

Rick

Jayjay · 02-14-2003, 09:31 PM

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Originally posted by Radorth
That is the question I said I answered. I specifically answered why Jesus died the way he did in a post to Dr Rick. You didn't read the thread, Jayjay, or you are just lying.

Well, there is an easy way to prove me (and at least 2 or 3 other scoffers) wrong by just quoting yourself. I just reread the thread, just because I like giving people the benefit of doubt. What a waste of time that was. Maybe your posts were written in that invisible, magical christian font that unbelievers can't see?

(Here's the question again, in case you forgot it: "Why did God need to use crucifixion instead of some other method?")

Radorth · 02-14-2003, 09:50 PM

I'm not going to track it down. Maybe it was on the other thread where Rick asked the same question. He knows I did or he has the shortest memory on record here. Meanwhile, in the time you guys wasted falsely accusing me of not answering your questions, you could have searched the entire forum using a date and a couple keywords. You're just wasting time, I presume because you can't answer my questions. As I say, we only see in others what is in us, at least those of us who must justify ourselves before men. But I figure the perceptive readers will notice the fallacies in the skeptic's arguments and assertions, so I don't need to taunt anyone like a gang of middle schoolers. But I realize you have to be righteous in your own eyes. Been there, done that.

And I'd bet no two Christians have ever been seen on II taunting anyone.

Rad

Yellum Notnef · 02-14-2003, 10:01 PM

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Originally posted by Radorth
I'm not going to track it down. Maybe it was on the other thread where Rick asked the same question. He knows I did or he has the shortest memory on record here. Meanwhile, in the time you guys wasted falsely accusing me of not answering your questions, you could have searched the entire forum using a date and a couple keywords. You're just wasting time, I presume because you can't answer my questions. As I say, we only see in others what is in us, at least those of us who must justify ourselves before men. But I figure the perceptive readers will notice the fallacies in the skeptic's arguments and assertions, so I don't need to taunt anyone like a gang of middle schoolers. But I realize you have to be righteous in your own eyes. Been there, done that.

And I'd bet no two Christians have ever been seen on II taunting anyone.

Rad

The above rant has NOTHING to do with me and my questions which you are STILL ignoring.

The amusing thing in all this is that if I were to insult you,you`d respond to me immediately,but when I ask you a serious question I get complete silence.

Radorth · 02-14-2003, 10:12 PM

Fenton, your grace, my comment about us having to wear clothes was so obviously a take-off (no pun intended) on the Eden story, that I'm sure only you missed the joke. I assumed you had read the Bible. Remember now? They discovered they were naked and so they found some fig leaves?

A bit dry that, I suppose. OK, who else didn't get it?

Rad

ju'iblex · 02-14-2003, 10:14 PM

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Originally posted by Radorth

And I'd bet no two Christians have ever been seen on II taunting anyone.

Rad

david mathews, van gully, all those people who post in feedback "youre going to hell"... just to name a few....

Yellum Notnef · 02-14-2003, 10:17 PM

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Originally posted by Radorth
Fenton, your grace, my comment about us having to wear clothes was so obviously a take-off (no pun intended) on the Eden story, that I'm sure only you missed the joke. I assumed you had read the Bible. Remember now? They discovered they were naked and so they found some fig leaves?

A bit dry that, I suppose. OK, who else didn't get it?

Rad

I think we are all aware that it was a joke,but probably for a totally different reason than you think.

My question is STILL unanswered. If there was no Adam & Eve,where did the sin come from that Jesus died to pay for. Please save the jokes this time and supply biblical support for your answer.

Thank you.

Radorth · 02-14-2003, 10:19 PM

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"Why did God need to use crucifixion instead of some other method?"

And I asked Dr Rick what that might be. Reaching down with one of his billion hands he should be whacking people with, and giving him a lethal injection?

I also posted many scriptures on why and how God used the cross, but you missed that too apparently.

Rad

JEST2ASK · 02-14-2003, 11:10 PM

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It certainly is counterintuitive that an innocent man Jesus should die for the hypothetical sin of an early ancestral couple. It is absolutely absurd that an innocent man should die for people not yet born and may die at birth never having a chance to sin.

I don't think that Jesus saw it that way either. On the cross, he said, "My God, My God, why hast THOU forsaken ME." This is the most important verse in the N.T. It says two things. First Jesus is talking to another who is called God. If that other is God, it says that Jesus is not God. If he were a son of god in a trinity he would perhaps have addressed the father. But no, Jesus addresses God as THOU and identifies himself as ME. So Jesus is admitting that he is not god.

Then he states clearly that he feels he has been forsaken. That means he didn't know the details of the fecking plan. He didn't expect things to turn out this way, nailed on a stick. He expected at the very least to be rescued by God. When God didn't show up for the show, Jesus felt justifiably forsaken. This shows his limited knowledge of the future. Jesus was not omniscient.

Remember that Satan or Lucifer took him up on a high mountaiin top and showed Jesus all of the nations of the world. He couldn't see all of the spherical planet at "a moment in time." Assuming that he was in the Middle East, he could not see over the arc of the planet to Japan, Java, New Zealand Maori nations, Tasmania, the Meso-American or Andean Indian empires of the first century. It is likely that he couldn't see Ireland, South Africa/Zimbabwe, or east Siberian Chukchi, or the fisher and whaling culture nations of the Northwest American Salish, Kwakiutl, and Makah. In short Jesus didn't know or his writer didn't know that the earth is a sphere even though Aristothenes measured the arc in Egypt in the 4th Century BC measuring the Earths circumference to within a few percentage points of error.

Fiach

:notworthy :notworthy :notworthy

I am sure believers will still find ways around those arguements. However it seems to say if the passage is correct one could only (with intellectual honesty) concluded that Jesus was not god or that the writer(s0 had to be in error. I have heard some arguements that God had to forsake Jesus while he(J) was carrying the world's sins since God (a righteous being) could not tolerate the presence of sin. They however did not explain what then happened to all that sin, or as you pointed out how did he (J) once again become part of the trinity?

scombrid · 02-15-2003, 08:06 AM

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Originally posted by Radorth
And I asked Dr Rick what that might be. Reaching down with one of his billion hands he should be whacking people with, and giving him a lethal injection?

I also posted many scriptures on why and how God used the cross, but you missed that too apparently.

Rad

Man I wish I could use my own assertions to prove my own assertions. I'd be done with my thesis already. Shoot, I wouldn't even need a committee and my defense would be a breeze.

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02-14-2003, 09:50 PM	#113
Radorth Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 1,872	I'm not going to track it down. Maybe it was on the other thread where Rick asked the same question. He knows I did or he has the shortest memory on record here. Meanwhile, in the time you guys wasted falsely accusing me of not answering your questions, you could have searched the entire forum using a date and a couple keywords. You're just wasting time, I presume because you can't answer my questions. As I say, we only see in others what is in us, at least those of us who must justify ourselves before men. But I figure the perceptive readers will notice the fallacies in the skeptic's arguments and assertions, so I don't need to taunt anyone like a gang of middle schoolers. But I realize you have to be righteous in your own eyes. Been there, done that. And I'd bet no two Christians have ever been seen on II taunting anyone. Rad

02-14-2003, 10:12 PM	#115
Radorth Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 1,872	Fenton, your grace, my comment about us having to wear clothes was so obviously a take-off (no pun intended) on the Eden story, that I'm sure only you missed the joke. I assumed you had read the Bible. Remember now? They discovered they were naked and so they found some fig leaves? A bit dry that, I suppose. OK, who else didn't get it? Rad

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