Amos

God did not have sex but God had intercourse with woman who is the womb of man from where the firstborn is reborn.

Clarice O'C

Hello Amos,

What is the difference between God having sex
or intercourse? And who was the woman that God
had intercourse with?

Best,
Clarice

Amos

Intercourse does not have to be sexual and the woman was the womb of man wherefore is was not sex but intercourse. There is God and Lord God and woman as taken from man by Lord God in Gen.2 to indicate that Man divides into male and female for the purpose of procreation after the image in which they were created in Gen.1.

So the gender identity of both male and female exist within each person and this is where the intercourse took place to make the son of God a metaphysical reality.

Clarice O'C

Since Jesus was supposed to have existed
with God before the world was created, then
God had ... whatever it was with Mary, was
Jesus born again?

Best,
Clarice

Azathoth

So,was God any good at intercourse?Was he well endowed?Was Mary in awe of the **ahem** "Godhead"?


*Looks over* Oh,the men with the white coats are here for me.Ok.I'll go now.

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Amos

Close but not quite so.

Jesus was the name given to the person to whom Christ was born. Christ was born unto Joseph from the woman he was betrodded to. This woman was without sin (called Immaculate Conception) and therefore not female but the womb of Joseph. Hence, Jesus was the reborn Joseph.

-DM-

He "came into" Mary "the Mother of God."

What follows will help to understand the complexity of the realationships which resulted from this "union."

[Note: This is NOT original with me, and try as I might to track its source, I could not. If anyone knows where this came from, please let me know. -Don-]

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1 + 1 + 1 = 1
Or: I'm My Own Grandpa--and Why

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Words to a Bluegrass tune: "I'm my own grandpa, It's funny but true. I'm my own grandpa."

The Christian Trinity consists of three separate persons who are one in substance: God the Father, God the Son (Jesus), and God the Holy Ghost. The Holy Family is not unlike a human family--except that it includes no women. God the Father generated a Son, Jesus, but he did it by Himself. Of course Jesus was born to the Virgin Mary, his earthly mother, but Mary was only incidental to the fact.

Although generated by the Father, God the Son (Jesus)--being God too--has existed through all eternity, according to the Bible, and took part in all of creation. Therefore, the Son is as old as the Father and the Father is as young as the Son. Although the Son depends on the Father for his temporal existence and would disappear the moment the Father halted the process of generation, yet the Son is equal to the Father.

After God the Father generated God the Son, Father and Son united in a kind of homogamous union and brought forth God the Holy Ghost. (The latter "proceeded" from the Father and Son, declares the Nicene Creed.) Since the generation of offspring from same-sex encounters is unknown to human species, the generation of the Holy Ghost is beyond human understanding. But all things are possible to God, of course; we simply cannot measure the acts of God with the yardstick of man.

Although God the Holy Ghost is third-generation divinity, we know from Christian theology that He, too, has existed from all eternity; therefore He is as old as His parents. God the Father begot God the Son. God the Father and God the Son together brought forth God the Holy Ghost. God the Holy Ghost and the Virgin Mary begot God the Son.

God the Father is the father and grandfather of God the Son; the father of God the Holy Ghost; as well as the son, father-in-law, and brother-in-law of the Virgin Mary.

God the Son is the son and grandson of God the Father; the father, son, and brother of God the Holy Ghost; as well as the son, father-in-law, and brother-in-law of his mother, the Virgin Mary.

God the Holy Ghost is the son of God the Father; the son, father, and brother of God the Son; and the husband of the Virgin Mary.

The Virgin Mary is the wife of God the Holy Ghost; the daughter-in-law of God the Father; and the mother, daughter-in-law, and sister-in-law of God the Son.

While the Son helped the Father produce the Holy Ghost, the latter returned the favor by helping the Father produce the Son through Mary. Thus God the Son was born twice, first as God and then as man. When He became man, He remained also God; in fact, God the Father and God the Son are one in the same. Since Mary gave birth to Jesus, who is God, she is also the Mother of God. Therefore her spouse, the Holy Ghost, is the Father of God. Thus the Son (Jesus) has two fathers: the Father who generated Him as God, and the Holy Ghost who generated Him as man. But the Son (together with the Father) originally brought forth the Holy Ghost. Thus, the Holy Ghost is both the offspring of the Son as well as His father.

Since both the Son and the Holy Ghost were generated by God the Father, they are also brothers, while remaining each other's father and son.

Since the Son is His Father's father, He is also his own grandfather.

"I'm my own grandpa, It's funny but true. I'm my own grandpa."

Although the Holy Ghost is the offspring of God the Father, he is never acknowledged as the Son of God; only Jesus is acknowledged as the Son. Although the Son (Jesus) and the Holy Ghost have the same father, the Holy Ghost is never acknowledged as the brother of Jesus. In addition, he has no mother. Thus the Holy Ghost has no publicly acknowledged father, mother, or brother; doesn't this make the Holy Ghost an orphan as well as a Divine Bastard?

Whether acknowledged or not, the Holy Ghost is still the offspring of both God the Father and God the Son. Thus God the Ghost has two fathers in the same way that God the Son has two fathers. And God the Son has two fathers plus a human surrogate father, a Middle Eastern carpenter named Joseph. But God the Father has no father at all. And while the Father is fatherless, His Son Jesus has three fathers but only one mother.

Mary is called: "daughter of God the Father," "Mother of the Son of God," "Mother of God," and "spouse of the Holy Ghost." Although the Bible records no specific marriage ceremony and--when correctly translated--intimates that God the Holy Ghost "overpowered" Mary, we must assume that Mary was properly wed to the Holy Ghost. If not, God and the Virgin Most Pure would have been guilty of fornication, had she consented to the relationship; or worse, the Holy Ghost would have been guilty of rape had she protested. In either case, outside of marriage, Jesus would have been conceived in sin and would join the Ghost as yet another Divine Bastard. But assuming a proper marriage, the Virgin is not only the mother of God but also His wife.

Through her marriage into the Holy Family, Mary became intimately related to all three Divine Persons. While God the Father lacks mother, wife, and daughter, He gained a daughter-in-law, the wife of His offspring the Holy Ghost. Thus Mary is not only the mother of God and the wife of God but also God's daughter-in-law and sister-in-law.

Since Jesus was the father of Mary's spouse, the Holy Ghost, He is not only her son but also her father-in-law. Thus Mary is daughter-in-law not only to the Father but also to the Son. And since the Holy Ghost and Jesus are brothers in all but name, Jesus is not only the father-in-law of His mother but her brother-in-law as well.

While the actual fathers of Jesus were God the Father and God the Holy Ghost, the legal father of God the Son was Joseph the carpenter. Mary wedded this Joe Carpenter while carrying God's baby in her womb. Thus Mary had two spouses, one divine (the Holy Ghost) and one human (Joseph).

Did this make the Blessed virgin a bigamist? In human terms the answer must be "yes," unless, of course, she was divorced from the Holy Ghost just prior to her marriage to Joseph. But there is no record of this in the Gospels and it would have been impermissible under canon law unless the Holy Ghost had been guilty of adultery--which is, of course, unthinkable. On the other hand, she could possibly have used her virginity as proof of the non-consummation of her marriage to the Holy Ghost and thereby had the marriage annulled. But then there would be the baby, Jesus, which would make such argument somewhat unconvincing. But, again, these are strictly human terms and we know that divinity is not bound by such limits.

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"Glory be to the Father, and to the Son, and to the Holy Ghost. As it was in the beginning, is now, and ever shall be. Divine mystery without end. Amen."

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lpetrich

One nit to pick; if Jesus Christ had been historical, he would have been executed in the early 30's. However, Josephus had been born in 37.

But Josephus's father would certainly have lived through JC's career, and if he had been in Jerusalem when JC had been there, he would have had a lot to say to his son.

I imagine him saying something like "Joe, guess what happened just before you were born."
"What, Dad?"
"There was a really infamous false prophet, Jesus of Nazareth. I watched him get crucified."
"A false prophet?"
"Yes, he'd call himself the Messiah and successor of King David and he'd say it's OK to work on the Sabbath and stuff like that. There's even someone who claimed the he said that he was the Lord Almighty, the Holy One himself."
"The Messiah? The Holy One?"
...
"Dad, why was he crucified?"
"I never found out why."
"Was stoning not good enough for him?"
"Maybe, but only Pontius Pilate and the Sanhedrin really know."

lpetrich

Mary, of course. Although the Gospels told us that the Holy Ghost had "overshadowed" Mary. In effect,

The Christian God did not have sexual relations with that woman, Mary.

Born Free

Aherm Amos

Gen 1 -

27 "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them. 28 And God blessed them, and God said to them, "Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth and subdue it; and have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the air and over every living thing that moves upon the earth."


Gen 2

5 when no plant of the field was yet in the earth and no herb of the field had yet sprung up--for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was no man to till the ground; 6 but a mist went up from the earth and watered the whole face of the ground-- 7 then the LORD God formed man of dust from the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being.