jojo-sa

TO all the atheists out there I woould just like to know what system atheism has to offer for humans to live on this planet ,which will keep the ecosystem in tact and operating properly.

then I would like to know where does the system come from????

eg. in atheist way is it okay to murder? if yes why? if no then was this not copied from some religious belief?

a system for humans to live in this ecosystem called the planet should cover all aspects of the ecosystem.

what system does atheism offer?

how does it answer the interesting questions? eg. what is life what is a thought? show me a thought.

for the free thinkers who believe in a God i ask just what system does it offer.

we all follow systems all the time. eg. to drive a car one must have a licence otherwise an offence is committed by law in most countries. and many other system and and "rules" we follow all the time.

i would like to know what is the free thinkers system and wher sdoes it come from.

what do they have to offer??

Born Free

If you care to explain yourself in a way we can understand what you're talking about then I can take a stab at your questions, till then I shall say that as an atheist with no belief in a god, gods or organised religion I follow the law of the country I live in and my morals come from my heart along with a large dollop of good old common sense for eg Don't murder else you find yourself in prison...... <img src="confused.gif" border="0">

Grizzly

jojo-sa,

Atheism is not a religion. There's no holy book or rules to live by. No commandments from above or devils from below. It is simply a lack of belief in the existence of God. Nothing more is implied or intended.

This freedom of thought allows each one of us to decide how it is best to pursue the questions you pose. But no agreement is necessary, nor blind adherence to a "system" desired.

Grizzly

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Pandora

Okay, I’m probably wasting my time here as I sense a troll alert, but just in case I’ll risk it.

Atheism is not a system, a religion or a philosophy. Atheism is simply the lack of a belief in a God – nothing more. Atheists do not necessarily subscribe to the same political opinions, ethical and moral values or philosophies. Being for the most part rational and intelligent people, it is likely that we may have many things in common but there is not a rule.

Every person on this planet belongs to society. In order for society to function in a way that is beneficial to it’s members it makes sense to have moral codes and laws that will protect both the individual and society.

Basic concepts such as not killing, not stealing, not lying etcetera form the basis of every community regardless of differences in religious beliefs. Religion incorporated these concepts, but they are not in any way responsible for their invention.

For the atheist, the lack of a belief in an afterlife and the lack of a belief that we will be pardoned for our sins, makes the time that we have here in this world hugely precious and important. Everyday that passes is irreplaceable and should be made the most of.

Most of us would like to make this world and our society the best it could possibly be. We want to be safe, to be warm, to eat, to learn, to create for our own benefit, the benefit of those we love, and hopefully leave a better place for our descendants.

You ask “What is life?”
I can’t speak for anyone other than myself, but I would tell you that it is an opportunity to contribute to society and the human gene pool.

“What is a thought?”

It is the result of my brain analyzing input, using knowledge and past experience to arrive at a conclusion.

What do we have to offer? A life system based on working for the here and now, and the foreseeable future of successive generations.

jojo-sa

morals come from your heart. mmmm interesting concept.

common sense mmmm interesting concept.

every person's heart will tell him something else and common sense two you might be "bulltwax" to uncle bob.

this seem more like chaos

Grizzly

"morals come from religion. mmmm interesting concept.

religion mmmm interesting concept.

every person's religion will tell him something else and religion to you might be "bulltwax" to uncle bob.

this seem more like chaos"

And chaos it is....

jojo-sa

well done

so what do you offer?

remember I do not say that religion is the answer?

especially not the way you might define Religion.

all i want to know from you is what do you offer to save us all from the chaos?

zamboniavenger

Why does life have to OFFER you anything? Just who do you think you are anyways? Does anyone know why theists think humanity so's great and deserving?

Euromutt

Howsabout the good old <a href="http://www.unhchr.ch/udhr/lang/eng.htm" target="_blank">Universal Declaration of Human Rights</a>? Or the <a href="http://www.humanist-international.org/eng/camp/hum_charter.html" target="_blank">Humanist Charter</a> for the European Union (draft version available only)?

Edited to add that that's from a humanist POV, really, but it provides an excellent alternative to the doctrines of "hokey religions" (to use Han Solo's phrase).

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scarmig

You're missing the point. Atheism doesn't offer anything. It doesn't solve problems, it doesn't create problems. It's not a society. It's not a government.

Chaos is "solved" (as if it's a problem) by creating order. There are many ways to create societal order. One way is through the forceful domination of one set of individuals by another set of individuals. This is known as government. Another way is through cultural traditions and social pressure.

Chaos always exists. Order always exists. Each is just a perception of the relationships of events and objects. If every event and object could be pre-determined, you would have complete order. You would also have complete stagnation. Chaos creates incentive to react to unprecedented stimuli. This causes growth and improvement by forcing the object to either strengthen or die.