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Magus55 · 06-24-2003, 04:10 PM

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Originally posted by Mageth
Yes, Jesus did say He was God.

So? Hindus and Buddhists recognize their divinity as well. According to Hinduism, we're all divine. Jesus' claim to divinity would not be strange to a Hindu; the Christian claim that Jesus is God exclusively (and not anyone else) would be absurd to a Hindu.

Jesus' supposed divinity claims such as "I and the Father are One" could be viewed from the Eastern perspective as claims along the lines of Hinduism/Buddhism that all of us are manifestations of the divine.

When all the Hindu's die and come back from the Dead, and perform dozens of miracles - we can consider them one with the divine.

Mageth · 06-24-2003, 04:23 PM

When all the Hindu's die and come back from the Dead,

Hindus (note that there's no apostrophe) claim to do that. Heard of reincarnation?

and perform dozens of miracles -

Miracles are claimed in Hinduism. Here's a list of some.

we can consider them one with the divine.

They already consider themselves one with the divine.

Magus, face it; your particular mythology is just not as special or unique as you would like to believe.

Soul Invictus · 06-24-2003, 09:25 PM

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Originally posted by EstherRose
John 10
30I and the Father are one."

Uh yeah, He did claim to be God.

This does not infer that they are one and the same. Anyone that claims to have the Father within him/her would naturally say that they are one with God. This is nothing more than a figurative phrase at its best. Many a spiritual person can refer to their relationship with God in this manner. There are those that say make the reference that men are Gods and women are the Earths....with the reference being that with God being in them that makes them God...or for the literalists that cannot deal with that phrase...that God is with or within them.

mark9950 · 06-24-2003, 10:43 PM

Were white europeans,they were akkadians,mesopotamians and sumerians.

What race they were I would not know,but they could have been similar to the egyptians and we know the egyptians were black people because most of africa are black people.

mark9950 · 06-24-2003, 10:54 PM

How do you know that jesus performed any miracles at all?

Were you there to witness them?

Magus55 · 06-25-2003, 07:25 AM

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Originally posted by mark9950
How do you know that jesus performed any miracles at all?

Were you there to witness them?

The apostles witnessed it.

How do you know Columbus discovered America? Were you there to witness it?

mecca777 · 06-25-2003, 08:26 AM

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Originally posted by Magus55
How do you know Columbus discovered America? Were you there to witness it?

He didn't. There were plenty of people already living there. And technically, if you're using "America" to refer to "the United States of America", he never set foot there. His voyages took him around the Caribbean, and he made later landfalls on Central and South America.

Wikipedia

So why did you say that "Columbus discovered America"? Would it be incorrect to suggest that it's a piece of information you were given as a child, or that you read in a book, and are simply repeating now? Is it simply an accepted fact within your culture, which most people take for granted?

Do you see what I'm getting at?

mark9950 · 06-25-2003, 10:23 PM

Christopher Columbus or give my life to him to be saved,but you worship the mythical savior jesus christ that was no where mentioned by the OT.

Hey maybe I should worship and give my life to christopher columbus at least you and I know that he did live at one time as artifacts can prove.

What artifacts can prove this jesus existance.

mark9950 · 06-25-2003, 10:28 PM

The apostles witness it?

Where you there?

If not how do you know that it really happened.

How do I know that you really exist?I do not know who you are I just take it for granted that you claim who you claim that you are just like your jesus.

Soul Invictus · 06-30-2003, 11:35 PM

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Originally posted by Koyaanisqatsi
Be ready for the "water" analogy fallacy.

Could someone explain this? I think I saw a minuscule example of this, w/o depth. I'd like to be familiarized with it.

06-24-2003, 10:43 PM	#54
mark9950 Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: midwest usa Posts: 1,203	I would not say that the patriarchs Were white europeans,they were akkadians,mesopotamians and sumerians. What race they were I would not know,but they could have been similar to the egyptians and we know the egyptians were black people because most of africa are black people.

06-24-2003, 10:54 PM	#55
mark9950 Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: midwest usa Posts: 1,203	Magus55 How do you know that jesus performed any miracles at all? Were you there to witness them?

06-25-2003, 10:23 PM	#58
mark9950 Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: midwest usa Posts: 1,203	I do not worship Christopher Columbus or give my life to him to be saved,but you worship the mythical savior jesus christ that was no where mentioned by the OT. Hey maybe I should worship and give my life to christopher columbus at least you and I know that he did live at one time as artifacts can prove. What artifacts can prove this jesus existance.

06-25-2003, 10:28 PM	#59
mark9950 Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: midwest usa Posts: 1,203	Did you see The apostles witness it? Where you there? If not how do you know that it really happened. How do I know that you really exist?I do not know who you are I just take it for granted that you claim who you claim that you are just like your jesus.

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06-24-2003, 04:23 PM	#52
Mageth Contributor Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Deep in the heart of mother-lovin' Texas Posts: 29,689	When all the Hindu's die and come back from the Dead, Hindus (note that there's no apostrophe) claim to do that. Heard of reincarnation? and perform dozens of miracles - Miracles are claimed in Hinduism. Here's a list of some. we can consider them one with the divine. They already consider themselves one with the divine. Magus, face it; your particular mythology is just not as special or unique as you would like to believe.

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