GreggLD1

Well, Kevin (spurly) regards homosexuality as "just another sin" like murder, theft, and lying. And gay folks aren't supposed to take offense at that. O-kaaaaaayyyyyyyyyy....

Gregg

Sue Sponte

A fair point, looking back on my post. I was explaining why christians do this, which by definition was intended to be limited to those christians who do.

To the extent my post reads as a general indictment of all christians, apologies are proper. That wasn't intended nor is it my belief.

Thanks for the clarification.

Sue

sweep

cheers amos. you seem content to be who you are, which means that all is well, in amos' eyes.

I like bree's method of moderation; you can see the power hasn't gone to her head, demanding that all bow in her presence. I see a lot of people exploit their own position, which means to me, that she is more scrupulous than some.

so, yeah don't let religion bite you on the ass, but it does require that you stick your tongue up its ass.


:notworthy "abject smiley, have you never heard that learning to love yourself 'is the greatest love of all'?"

'what was that? *I'm not worthy* oh never mind, I give up'

anyway, enough attempts at humour from me. I'll stick to what I'm good at.

Lobstrosity

I interpreted his analogy as referring to that very fact: he believes homosexuals will rot in hell for all eternity. Since he "knows" the truth that others have yet to find, it is his duty as a loving parent to teach us that which may hurt us. A child running with a knife doesn't know of the potential dangers, yet the knife can still hurt him. There are physical consequences to the action whether the child "believes" in them or not. Spurly's view is that a homosexual, even if he doesn't believe in hell (or maybe especially if he doesn't believe in hell), is still in danger. The consequences of homosexuality, to Spurly, is eternal damnation of your immortal soul--this is the danger I think Spurly is representing by his running-with-a-knife analogy.

Now, I personally don't believe in hell and I think the Christian bigotry towards homosexuals is repulsive, but I recognize it exists and will produce the very statements given by Spurly here. We can try to show Spurly why his worldview is wrong and, quite frankly, evil when illuminated by his own system of morality, but we can't simply labeling his concept of danger as faulty because there exist others who don't believe in it; we can't start asking instead for him to speak in terms of dangers we believe are relevant. This kind of debate won't get anybody anywhere until we can first convince Spurly that his notion of danger is off the mark while ours is spot-on.

Amos

Perhaps even true and it is not not easy, is it?

Do that and he'll love you for it!

Magus55

In our world, homosexuality really has no danger but to God it does. Choosing to willfully participate in same sex relationships and sex is going against God's design. He designed it for a man and women and thats it.

And no Homosexuality won't send you to hell more than any other sin. The wages of ALL sin is death, not a few. Jesus is the only way to be forgiven and redeemed whether your homosexual or a theif.

And please don't bring up the argument about then God shouldn't have made homosexuals. The fall of man corrupted the world. Sin makes things that were once good, bad and destructive. I'm not gonna get into that right now because its not a concept that is understood too well by non-Christians.

Spaz

God is one uptight asshole, eh? Something makes somebody happy and he sends them to hell. I'm really feelin the love.

orac

Why?

What is it about being gay that offends God so much?

You're asking us to believe that God commanded the rape of women, but hates homosexuality, but you haven't explained who is actually hurt by it. (Well, ok, you've claimed that it offends God, but even then you still haven't explained why gays are more offensive to God than rapists.)

Btw, your challenge, if you want to prove me wrong, is to find a passage in the Bible where God acknowledges that homosexuality is acceptable, or to prove that there are no passages where God commands his people to rape. I'll be impressed if you can manage either option.

It's nice of you to acknowledge that gay people don't actually hurt anyone. You'ld better be careful, though, or you'll start thinking they should have the same rights as other people.

wildernesse

Thank you, Sue. I find IIDB to be too highly charged of an atmosphere to let over-generalizations slide. Several people here would be all too happy to endorse your previous statements without any hesitation or limitation to the people who actually do/think such things.

--tibac

EspressoSnail

Does that just apply to humans?
If it's towards all animals... and gee let's throw all living things in too... then why are there so many asexual and bisexual living things? If everything was suppose to be 'male' and 'female' why are snails (among other things) hermaphrodites? Why is it some animals that do have specific males and females occasionally have 'gay' members in their populations (yes this happens in other creatures not just humans)?
If it just applies to humans... gee that's rather conveinent don't cha think... why?
And why does homosexuality present danger to god? I didn't know god was such a homophobe. Design... hmm. Well... you don't think that it could be a part of his/her/its design? That he/she/it planned even the supposed 'fall' of man? Why do you presume to know so much about what god has planned? How do you know the mind of god?