lpetrich

I'd like to see Darth Dane take on the other laws in the books of Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy.

In particular, I'd love to see what he makes of Exodus 20:28, which states that one should not step onto an altar, because one would expose oneself to it if one did.

Darth Dane

I'd like to see Darth Dane take on the other laws in the books of Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy.

Plz give reference to teh other places, if you know them, because I don't. Links perhaps?

In particular, I'd love to see what he makes of Exodus 20:28, which states that one should not step onto an altar, because one would expose oneself to it if one did.

I can't find it, the things I find when I search, is John 20:28 but not exodus 20:28

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Starboy

Yet another reason to think that good Christians cannot be good Americans.

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lpetrich

LP:
I'd like to see Darth Dane take on the other laws in the books of Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy.

Darth Dane:
Plz give reference to teh other places, if you know them, because I don't. Links perhaps?

DD, I suggest that you open a Bible and start reading.

LP:
In particular, I'd love to see what he makes of Exodus 20:28, which states that one should not step onto an altar, because one would expose oneself to it if one did.

DD:
I can't find it, the things I find when I search, is John 20:28 but not exodus 20:28

Sorry, I goofed. It's Exodus 20:26, at the end of chapter 20. So why weren't you able to simply read all of Exodus 20?

Darth Dane

DD, I suggest that you open a Bible and start reading.

wouldn't it be more pratical that you provided teh links, if you already know where to find it?

Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy

Where in these? Should I spend huge amounts of time reading through all kinds of stuff that bear no relevance? Just like you gave exodus 20:26, can you give other numbers or referances?

20:24
An altar of earth thou shalt make unto me, and shalt sacrifice thereon thy burnt offerings, and thy peace offerings, thy sheep, and thine oxen: in all places where I record my name I will come unto thee, and I will bless thee.

What do you want me to do? Jesus already said that no offerings were needed? Thou shall not spill blood on God's account?

20:25
And if thou wilt make me an altar of stone, thou shalt not build it of hewn stone: for if thou lift up thy tool upon it, thou hast polluted it.

The point, I think, is if we humans change the stone, with tools, it is no longer in it's original state, and any change from that state is pollution. Any man made work on nature is causing pollution.

20:26
Neither shalt thou go up by steps unto mine altar, that thy nakedness be not discovered thereon.

If you step up to God, trough his altar, you will be "naked" before the eye of God, meaning that you will feel naked before the penetrating gaze of God. The gaze that sees your soul, do you want to know your soul, have all your actions, both good and bad, revealed to you in one moment, can you bear your own perceived bad actions?

Maybe?





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Darth Dane

lpetrich: Since you wanted me to comment certain verses, why don't you provide them?






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lpetrich

Darth Dane:
wouldn't it be more pratical that you provided teh links, if you already know where to find it?

DD, where is your Bible?

Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy

Where in these? ...

Try reading the whole thing for a change. But if you want some subset, try the Book of Leviticus, or at least Leviticus 11.

20:24 (command to make an altar to sacrifice on...)

What do you want me to do? ...[/b]

To critically evaluate the Bible's laws. And this means being able to find fault with them.

(on how altars must be uncut stone...)

20:26
Neither shalt thou go up by steps unto mine altar, that thy nakedness be not discovered thereon.

If you step up to God, trough his altar, you will be "naked" before the eye of God, meaning that you will feel naked before the penetrating gaze of God. The gaze that sees your soul, do you want to know your soul, have all your actions, both good and bad, revealed to you in one moment, can you bear your own perceived bad actions?

Very ingenious "explanation", but it seems to me that it's saying that one ought not to step on an altar because one would expose oneself to it if one did.

Darth Dane

DD, where is your Bible?

I am not so versed in teh bible stuff

Try reading the whole thing for a change.

Why? A lot of stuff is irrelevant.

To critically evaluate the Bible's laws. And this means being able to find fault with them.

Very ingenious "explanation", but it seems to me that it's saying that one ought not to step on an altar because one would expose oneself to it if one did.

Yes, you ought not, it doesn't say you can't. It says if you touch red hot iron, you might get burnt.

It could also be a message form teh jealous God, don't step up to my throne, for only I am allowed to be there, and I want to be teh only one there.

If you see your nakedness, you have touched teh tree of knowledge, (adam/eve) if you have this knowledge, you know stuff as God knows stuff, this wasn't allowed in GoE.

How are we to know God, if we can't eat from the tree?

It also mentions steps.

We have to make a leap of faith? Not take it in steps?


Maybe, I'll respond more later.





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Darth Dane

20:26
Neither shalt thou go up by steps unto mine altar, that thy nakedness be not discovered thereon.

Another possibility is taht we assuem that the devil wrote teh bible as some claim, or at least parts of it.

If Satan indeed wrote this one, what would teh motivation and idea behind this verse be?

If Satan(S) indeed discovered that Man was created to fullfil teh highest that could be to be more than angels, then maybe S wrote this because S didn't want humans to fullfill teh promise from God. The true state of Man was to be naked, as witnessed before teh fall of Adam and Eve, so if we stand up there know, with full conciousness of our actions, i.e. being an adult as opposed to being a child, we will see our nakedness. Does God wants us to defy the law, to stand naked as a child before God, our shall we bow to the written and dead Law, Dead meaning he who wrote is now dead and cannot defend the reasons for the choice of words. "A living prophet is worth more than ten dead ones", Kahlil Gibran writes somewhere.

Should we deny us teh knowledge of God over teh words in a book, now that we have begun to eat of teh apple of knowledge?
Or should we accept the "knowledge" that comes when we see our nakedness, namely in the state before the fall of Adam and Eve?






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Ojuice5001

Here's something for any of you Christo-Pagan sympathizers:

If you look at the First Commandment carefully, you see that it doesn't actually say you shall have no other god. It says "You shall have no other god before Yahweh." See the possibility that may be left open?

I don't deliberately try to combine Christianity and paganism, but I wish the best of luck to those who do. Give me a Christian pagan over an atheist pagan any day (nothing personal, Emotional).