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Debbie T · 08-26-2002, 10:21 AM

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Originally posted by BigJim:


Oh goody, can we have a gun control debate here?

Disarming everyone worked realy well on 9/11

America is not disarmed. And having arms really helped on 9/11? I am sure if everyone in the towers had guns they could have shot those planes down yes?

BigJim · 08-26-2002, 11:20 AM

No, but if a few passengers on the planes had weapons, they could have easily stopped a few terrorists with box cutters. Or better yet, the terrorists wouldn't have even tried their tactic in the first place.

[ August 26, 2002: Message edited by: BigJim ]

Albion · 08-26-2002, 11:31 AM

Or they'd have been armed themselves.

Debbie T · 08-26-2002, 11:36 AM

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Originally posted by BigJim:
No, but if a few passengers on the planes had weapons, they could have easily stopped a few terrorists with box cutters. Or better yet, the terrorists wouldn't have even tried their tactic in the first place.

[ August 26, 2002: Message edited by: BigJim ]

Oh yes Big Jim, and if passengers are allowed to have weapons on the plane 9/11 would have happened a lot sooner. I think you need to think this through a lot more.

Or maybe they could have gun battles in the air, now that would really make flying safe! Passengers vs Terrorists at 10 paces.

I think having trained and armed personnel on board is a lot more sane then letting any passenger on board with a weapon.

[ August 26, 2002: Message edited by: Debbie T ]

Autonemesis · 08-26-2002, 11:37 AM

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Originally posted by BigJim:
No, but if a few passengers on the planes had weapons...

I find it interesting (in a Mr. Spock kind of way) that you said "weapons" and not "guns" here. Aren't handguns the weapons you meant?

BigJim · 08-26-2002, 11:45 AM

Yes KB, I meant guns.

BigJim · 08-26-2002, 11:53 AM

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Originally posted by Debbie T:
Oh yes Big Jim, and if passengers are allowed to have weapons on the plane 9/11 would have happened a lot sooner.

How do you know that? The concept of Mutually Assured Destruction kept the USSR and the USA from blowing each other up for years.

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Or maybe they could have gun battles in the air, now that would really make flying safe! Passengers vs Terrorists at 10 paces.

Beats the hell out of flying into the WTC or even the Pennslyvania countryside.

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I think having trained and armed personnel on board is a lot more sane then letting any passenger on board with a weapon.

I think either option is better than having a flying bomb full of unarmed sheep that is easily controlled by a few wackos with box cutters.

Ought Naught · 08-26-2002, 12:06 PM

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Originally posted by BigJim:
How do you know that? The concept of Mutually Assured Destruction kept the USSR and the USA from blowing each other up for years.

MAD only works when BOTH of the adversaries value their own existence higher than the destruction of their enemy.

Perchance · 08-26-2002, 12:32 PM

Just wanted to add that carrying concealed weapons is legal in Kentucky, too (with a permit), and I've only ever heard of one accidental shooting because of it. That shooting happened in the movie theater where my sister worked, when a customer dropped his gun and it shot a woman in the foot.

What did the woman do? Sued the movie theater, of course. Obviously it was their fault

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-Perchance.

Viti · 08-26-2002, 12:46 PM

Off topic but oh well...every customer I have spoken to that lives in Alaska carries a concelaed gun...EVERY ONE (and I have personally spoken to over 30). Hubby went up to Anchorage to conduct a training session and they all took off their guns when they walked in; putting them on a table apparently set there just for that purpose. He said it looked like an armory.

What's with Alaska?

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BigJim Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Stepford, CT Posts: 4,296	No, but if a few passengers on the planes had weapons, they could have easily stopped a few terrorists with box cutters. Or better yet, the terrorists wouldn't have even tried their tactic in the first place. [ August 26, 2002: Message edited by: BigJim ]</p>

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08-26-2002, 11:31 AM	#13
Albion Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: US east coast. And www.theroyalforums.com Posts: 2,829	Or they'd have been armed themselves.

08-26-2002, 11:45 AM	#16
BigJim Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Stepford, CT Posts: 4,296	Yes KB, I meant guns.

08-26-2002, 12:32 PM	#19
Perchance Veteran Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Kentucky Posts: 1,059	Just wanted to add that carrying concealed weapons is legal in Kentucky, too (with a permit), and I've only ever heard of one accidental shooting because of it. That shooting happened in the movie theater where my sister worked, when a customer dropped his gun and it shot a woman in the foot. What did the woman do? Sued the movie theater, of course. Obviously it was their fault . -Perchance.

08-26-2002, 12:46 PM	#20
Viti Contributor Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Down South Posts: 12,879	Off topic but oh well...every customer I have spoken to that lives in Alaska carries a concelaed gun...EVERY ONE (and I have personally spoken to over 30). Hubby went up to Anchorage to conduct a training session and they all took off their guns when they walked in; putting them on a table apparently set there just for that purpose. He said it looked like an armory. What's with Alaska?

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