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mark9950 · 07-24-2003, 08:36 PM

Once believe in the christian God before they rebelled or was the christian God just a god?

THere has to be something in the OT that can confirm my theory of the christian God as a god of another name that is a statue of a god.

I just cannot find it.

EvilPoet · 07-25-2003, 04:47 AM

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Originally posted by mark9950
Once believe in the christian God before they
rebelled or was the christian God just a god?

The Sumerians were polytheistic.

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We know very little about the early Semitic religions, but the Semites that invaded Mesopotamia seem to have completely abandoned their religion in favor of Sumerian religion. Sumerian religion was polytheistic, that is, the Sumerians believed in and worshipped many gods. These gods were incredibly powerful and anthropomorphic, that is, they resembled humans. Many of these gods controlled natural forces and were associated with astronomical bodies, such as the sun. The gods were creator gods; as a group, they had created the world and the people in it. Like humans, they suffered all the ravages of human emotional and spiritual frailties: love, lust, hatred, anger, regret. Source: World Cultures: Sumerians

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THere has to be something in the OT that can confirm my theory
of the christian God as a god of another name that is a statue of
a god.

The only name I can think of is Adonai.

Doctor X · 07-25-2003, 04:55 AM

Mark:

I think you have lost me. . . .

What do you mean by "Christian god." It seems to me that "Big Daddy" would be the by then rather dominant YHWH--what had developed into a more "universal" deity--something that has control over the world rather than that mountain yonder.

Are you asking if the NT gang somehow "picked the wrong Big Daddy?"

--J.D.

contracycle · 07-25-2003, 06:16 AM

In my opinion - and this is an informed guess - the Phoenicians and later Carthaginians are probably a good place to go looking for info on the indigenous religion of the Lebanon and Palestine.

See here: http://phoenicia.org/ethnlang.html

There is a fair amount on Baal and other deities. It all looks very... I was going to say pantheistic, but I don't think the pattern we really see here is an organised pantheon, its a loose collection of city gods and local genii. Anyway, it looks very similar to Sumerian polytheism.

Haran · 07-25-2003, 06:19 AM

Mark, I'm assuming you're referring to the Samaritans and not the Sumerians (who are not mentioned in the Bible anyway)?

According to the Jews and the Bible, the religion of the Samaritans was a syncretistic one which believed in the God of the Jews but seemed to put other Gods into the mix. By New Testament times, it seemed that they were mostly, if not all, monotheistic, believing more or less in the God of the Jews. However, they believed, according to Deut. 11:29, that the temple should be on Mount Gerizim. They also used a form of the pentateuch, referred to amazingly as the Samaritan pentateuch, and they are still in existence as separate from the Jews today. Do more research on the Samaritans. Their story is pretty interesting.

This seems to be a pretty good site with a historical description of Samaria and the Samaritans with Biblical references.

mark9950 · 07-25-2003, 11:57 AM

I guess that I did not make myself clear on this post(I apologize for that) My post "bible authors" is coming clear to me because of your post.

If king david worshipped a idol(statue)god or goddess than the bible is authored after the God being a god or goddess and the bible is proven to be that a true creator God does not exist.

07-24-2003, 08:36 PM	#11
mark9950 Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: midwest usa Posts: 1,203	Did the samarians Once believe in the christian God before they rebelled or was the christian God just a god? THere has to be something in the OT that can confirm my theory of the christian God as a god of another name that is a statue of a god. I just cannot find it.

07-25-2003, 11:57 AM	#16
mark9950 Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: midwest usa Posts: 1,203	Doctor X I guess that I did not make myself clear on this post(I apologize for that) My post "bible authors" is coming clear to me because of your post. If king david worshipped a idol(statue)god or goddess than the bible is authored after the God being a god or goddess and the bible is proven to be that a true creator God does not exist.

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07-25-2003, 04:55 AM	#13
Doctor X Banned Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: USA Posts: 3,794	Mark: I think you have lost me. . . . What do you mean by "Christian god." It seems to me that "Big Daddy" would be the by then rather dominant YHWH--what had developed into a more "universal" deity--something that has control over the world rather than that mountain yonder. Are you asking if the NT gang somehow "picked the wrong Big Daddy?" --J.D.

07-25-2003, 06:16 AM	#14
contracycle Banned Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: London Posts: 1,425	In my opinion - and this is an informed guess - the Phoenicians and later Carthaginians are probably a good place to go looking for info on the indigenous religion of the Lebanon and Palestine. See here: http://phoenicia.org/ethnlang.html There is a fair amount on Baal and other deities. It all looks very... I was going to say pantheistic, but I don't think the pattern we really see here is an organised pantheon, its a loose collection of city gods and local genii. Anyway, it looks very similar to Sumerian polytheism.

07-25-2003, 06:19 AM	#15
Haran Banned Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Dallas, Tx Posts: 1,490	Mark, I'm assuming you're referring to the Samaritans and not the Sumerians (who are not mentioned in the Bible anyway)? According to the Jews and the Bible, the religion of the Samaritans was a syncretistic one which believed in the God of the Jews but seemed to put other Gods into the mix. By New Testament times, it seemed that they were mostly, if not all, monotheistic, believing more or less in the God of the Jews. However, they believed, according to Deut. 11:29, that the temple should be on Mount Gerizim. They also used a form of the pentateuch, referred to amazingly as the Samaritan pentateuch, and they are still in existence as separate from the Jews today. Do more research on the Samaritans. Their story is pretty interesting. This seems to be a pretty good site with a historical description of Samaria and the Samaritans with Biblical references.

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