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Sojourner553 · 08-15-2002, 03:04 PM

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I see plenty of "preaching" and "witnessing" here by atheists who simply couch it in terms of superstition/myth/opinion, etc..but when a theist posits a logical corollary that the eyewitnesses may have in fact saw what they said they saw, it is "preaching". a priori bias against the supernatural is in logical forensic equipoise with a priori belief in the supernatural. None of us were there, and there is a rule in the Federal Rules of Evidence which allows the admission of past recorded eye-witness accounts. I will try to follow the "rules" here but i think what is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander, I see a lot of theories and opinions here which have nothing to do with archaeological artifacts and settled jury and peer reviewed historical accounts. I apologize if i offended anyone but i see plenty of sarcasm and ridicule from the atheist side too. lcb

I agree with you ICB. Atheists can be carried away with their "pet theories" as much as theists. You can usually tell the "fundie" atheists according to how quickly they use personal attacks instead of rational analysis of any criticism given their "pet theories".

I might remind you though, that two "wrongs" don't make a right.

Sojourner

Talon · 08-15-2002, 04:17 PM

Thin ice.

TALON

MadMordigan · 08-15-2002, 05:26 PM

You want me to believe that an eyewitness saw a dead person come to life, then wrote in in a book 50-80 years later, over the possibility that whoever wrote that book LIED?

HOHOHOHOHOHAHAHAHAHAHOHOHOHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Man, where were you when I was selling cars for a living?

Monkeybot · 08-15-2002, 07:57 PM

I'm sending this to Misc. Religion Discussions.

Toto · 08-15-2002, 10:16 PM

Sojourner - first of all it's "L" cb - little Christian boy? - not I cb.

lcb first showed up here claiming to be undecided. We all wasted a lot of time trying to show him that the existence of the state of Israel did not "confirm prophecy". He has evidently read Josh McDowell's Evidence and swallowed it whole. He likes to pop up in the middle of discussions and ask questions that assume a lot of evidence, most of it untrue, but he can't or won't argue any of the points coherently. When people dispute his points, he just rejects what they say, without analysing the question.

Sojourner553 · 08-16-2002, 03:30 PM

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Originally posted by Toto:
<strong>Sojourner - first of all it's "L" cb - little Christian boy? - not I cb.

lcb first showed up here claiming to be undecided. We all wasted a lot of time trying to show him that the existence of the state of Israel did not "confirm prophecy". He has evidently read Josh McDowell's Evidence and swallowed it whole. He likes to pop up in the middle of discussions and ask questions that assume a lot of evidence, most of it untrue, but he can't or won't argue any of the points coherently. When people dispute his points, he just rejects what they say, without analysing the question.</strong>

Did someone point out to him the "prophecies" that did NOT come true.

Here is an important one often referred to as the Davidic where God promises:

"I shall chastise him with the rod of people and the lashes of humans if he does wrong, but my fidelity will not turn from him..
Your house and your kingdom will be secure before you forever. Your
throne will be established forever." (2 Samuel 7:16)

Last I checked my history book, Israel has not had a king whose throne was preserved forever, Nor has Israel ever been a powerful country.

If one can "pick and choose" among verses (ie, ignoring the ones they don't "like"), one can prove almost anything.

Sojourner

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08-15-2002, 04:17 PM	#2
Talon Banned Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Not the real world, that's for sure. Posts: 1,300	Thin ice. TALON

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MadMordigan Beloved Deceased Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Vancouver BC Canada Posts: 2,704	You want me to believe that an eyewitness saw a dead person come to life, then wrote in in a book 50-80 years later, over the possibility that whoever wrote that book LIED? HOHOHOHOHOHAHAHAHAHAHOHOHOHAHAHAHAHAHA. Man, where were you when I was selling cars for a living?

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Monkeybot Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: North Carolina Posts: 8,102	I'm sending this to Misc. Religion Discussions.

08-15-2002, 10:16 PM	#5
Toto Contributor Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Los Angeles area Posts: 40,549	Sojourner - first of all it's "L" cb - little Christian boy? - not I cb. lcb first showed up here claiming to be undecided. We all wasted a lot of time trying to show him that the existence of the state of Israel did not "confirm prophecy". He has evidently read Josh McDowell's Evidence and swallowed it whole. He likes to pop up in the middle of discussions and ask questions that assume a lot of evidence, most of it untrue, but he can't or won't argue any of the points coherently. When people dispute his points, he just rejects what they say, without analysing the question.

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