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factfinder · 08-01-2003, 11:00 AM

Factfinder, I don't see the sincerity in your statement to "agree to disagree". You seem to be a little touchy.

Lauren
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Yet another person calling me a liar (with window dressing). I'm sorry if I get 'touchy' about that.

My original post was to draw out the motive of the atheist that wants to expel Christians as a movement altogether. Perhaps not all atheists feel this way. I'm interested in the one's that do & why they feel this way.

King Rat · 08-01-2003, 11:01 AM

Yes! Now we get to it.

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You're right though, my faith is weak and I constantly seek to strengthen it. The concept that Christians push an air of superiority over the infidels certainly does not apply to me.

Really...

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So are you solid in your faith as a non-believer? Or are you not so secure as evidenced by your attendance on this site. Your words, not mine. How 'bout a deal...I won't make any assumptions about you unless I ask you directly & you could be kind enough to reciprocate.

Hahahaha! Looks like I struck a nerve. You are a little turned around FF. Only if I were visiting xtian discussion boards would that apply. BTW, it's not an assumption if it's true.

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In the future you may want to leave the fortune telling to Miss Cleo.

Nah, xtians have cornered the market on that already. Miss Cleo is just a pretender to the throne.

faustuz · 08-01-2003, 11:01 AM

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Originally posted by factfinder
Hmmm...I'm getting some clear signals that I'm not wanted here.

You're right though, my faith is weak and I constantly seek to strengthen it. The concept that Christians push an air of superiority over the infidels certainly does not apply to me.

So are you solid in your faith as a non-believer?...

Anybody who is solid in their faith could use a good dose of self examination. Seek always.

However, if you are seeking to strengthen your faith, then you aren�t really seeking at all. You�ve already decided what you want to believe, or you wouldn�t say �I constantly seek to strengthen it�. That means you�ve already made up your mind. If you were truly a seeker, you would say �I constantly seek the truth, even if it weakens my faith�.

Where did you get signals that you�re not wanted? You came to infidels and started a big discussion about religion, after stating that you don�t think people should discuss religion. You made statements to the effect that Christianity is the right way, with the obvious implication that non-Christianity is the wrong way. You came and started arguing. Why do religious people always get so surprised when people argue back?

Magus55 · 08-01-2003, 11:05 AM

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Originally posted by braces_for_impact
And once again we see Magus55 trying desperately to seperate his religion from those evil Catholics he seems to revile so much. This is a constant source of entertainment for me, how many protestant religions do this. Face it, your religion (like just about every other sect of Christianity) is a direct result of the catholic church, and even many of your major doctrines were invented by Catholics.

No true Scottsman falacy.

Wrong, none of the doctrines I follow come from Catholics. The Bible wasn't written by Catholics, and that is the only doctrine I follow. Catholics add on to the Bible, with junk like Mary being sinless, and the Pope being infallible. None of which I accept.

braces_for_impact · 08-01-2003, 11:06 AM

Indeed, the entire thing is a "No true Scottsman" fallacy, really. It is not falsifiable. Any time someone says this was done in the name of religion, someone can say "Well those aren't real Christians, they weren't following the real teachings of Christ. See the problem with that?

Magus55 · 08-01-2003, 11:07 AM

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Originally posted by emotional

Three letters to answer this question:

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Because their beliefs are harmful to other people. I'm talking about fundamentalists only, of course. The type you see on RaptureReady and BaptistBoards.

It's not the Christians that need to be saved, it's the free world that needs to be saved from Christian and Islamic fundamentalists. Think WTC again. [/B]

Muslims destroyed the WTC, not Christians. And what does that have to do with Christianity? Christianity doesn't condone Jihad, Islam does. Stop treating people like crap Emotional and making generalizations just because you don't agree with someone's views.

Hopeful Monsters · 08-01-2003, 11:08 AM

let's not get emotional

King Rat · 08-01-2003, 11:09 AM

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Muslims destroyed the WTC, not Christians. And what does that have to do with Christianity?

Extremism of any stripe...

Magus55 · 08-01-2003, 11:10 AM

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Originally posted by Relative Newcomer
Magus,

First of all, where did this statement come from?

It has nothing to do with my post. This discussion isn't about how ppl worshipped 2000 yrs ago.

It had everything to do with your post. You stated Christians should be spending money on education instead of churches and tithing, and I state, I agree - spending millions of dollars on a church is absurd, when people during Jesus' time worshipped in their small homes. You don't need some huge, expensive building to worship in.

braces_for_impact · 08-01-2003, 11:16 AM

Nor do you need tax exempt status.

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08-01-2003, 11:00 AM	#71
factfinder Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: new brunswick, canada Posts: 70	Factfinder, I don't see the sincerity in your statement to "agree to disagree". You seem to be a little touchy. Lauren _________________________________________________ Yet another person calling me a liar (with window dressing). I'm sorry if I get 'touchy' about that. My original post was to draw out the motive of the atheist that wants to expel Christians as a movement altogether. Perhaps not all atheists feel this way. I'm interested in the one's that do & why they feel this way.

08-01-2003, 11:06 AM	#75
braces_for_impact Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: In a nondescript, black helicopter. Posts: 6,637	Indeed, the entire thing is a "No true Scottsman" fallacy, really. It is not falsifiable. Any time someone says this was done in the name of religion, someone can say "Well those aren't real Christians, they weren't following the real teachings of Christ. See the problem with that?

08-01-2003, 11:08 AM	#77
Hopeful Monsters Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: God is a Mind Loop Posts: 1,344	let's not get emotional

08-01-2003, 11:16 AM	#80
braces_for_impact Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: In a nondescript, black helicopter. Posts: 6,637	Nor do you need tax exempt status.

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