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fatherphil · 04-15-2003, 12:15 PM

stop picking on me soyin!!

ShabbyChick · 04-15-2003, 08:06 PM

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Originally posted by Soyin Milka
Hi Enlightened Lady,

I agree with you that more should have been done to prevent looting and general lawlessness. Protecting the hospitals should have been a priority.

My first reaction when you mention "Looting will not be tolerated" signs was: I want one! I have a STOP sign in my apartment. It adds a nice decorative touch, with a pinch of rebellious lawlessness. Anyway, I'm probably biased about this, but I can't help thinking anti-looting signs would have been looted like everything else

Soyin

A person in St. Louis died Sunday night in a car accident caused by the absence of a STOP sign. The sign had been stolen.

I agree with you on the looting signs being looted. A nice smooth surface, maybe metal could be of a lot of use to someone in need of roof repairs, covering a hole in the wall, etc. But what the heck are those guys going to do with the baby incubators? Hatch chickens?

Answerer · 04-15-2003, 09:24 PM

Seriously, sicne the US could spared some soldiers to guard their precious oil, why can't they do the same for hospital, stores, etc? They have over 200000 people in Iraq, can't they do anything about the looting(and they don't have to risk their lives)?

Cap'n Jack · 04-16-2003, 04:17 AM

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Originally posted by Answerer
Seriously, sicne the US could spared some soldiers to guard their precious oil, why can't they do the same for hospital, stores, etc? They have over 200000 people in Iraq, can't they do anything about the looting(and they don't have to risk their lives)?

I guess the plans weren't quite as thorough. It would appear that for the large part, that the oil resources had to be secured and that no-one would loot hosptials. There is something like 24,000,000 people in Iraq, which works out to 120 people per soldier (not all soldiers are of a combat role). Not an easy task, there is a need for substantially more soldiers in Iraq, or police forces need to be set up rapidly.

Autonemesis · 04-16-2003, 11:39 AM

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Originally posted by Dr Rick
I'm not apologizing for the military; if you are aware of something that would have definitely made for a better outcome that neither Dr Russell nor I know, please share it.

Rick

A battalion of M.P. comes to mind. Military Police are trained for police work, and can better deal with problems of keeping civil order than regular combat troops. M.P. should have been staged and ready to enter the city to assume control of civil order immediately behind the regular troops.

RawData · 04-16-2003, 11:59 AM

Hi all,

I do find it dismaying that our military didn't plan for the looting ahead of time (other than at the Oil ministry). Palaces? fine. Government offices? fine (dumb, but fine). Hospitals? We knew where they were. A few soldiers there would have prevented. Museum of antiquities? Same thing. Although as mentioned earlier in this thread, most of that will be re-distributed (See WWII). Libraries??? Not only looted, but burned. Not much re-distribution there!

The national guard has been used many times in the good ol' USA to quell looting. Why not in Iraq?
You got some 'spainin to do Rumsy!

RD:banghead:

Loren Pechtel · 04-16-2003, 01:31 PM

Something from NPR on this: There's not a lot the soldiers can do. They've gone as far as warning shots and it's not enough--the looters are back within minutes.

About the only way to stop the looting would be to shoot the looters. Want to see that?!

Optional · 04-16-2003, 01:56 PM

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Originally posted by Loren Pechtel
Something from NPR on this: There's not a lot the soldiers can do. They've gone as far as warning shots and it's not enough--the looters are back within minutes.

About the only way to stop the looting would be to shoot the looters. Want to see that?!

If they had the necessary manpower and equipment, that wouldn't be the only thing they could do. For one thing, they could mount permenant guards rather than roving patrols.

-me

Loren Pechtel · 04-16-2003, 04:11 PM

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Originally posted by Optional
If they had the necessary manpower and equipment, that wouldn't be the only thing they could do. For one thing, they could mount permenant guards rather than roving patrols.

-me

I don't think we *HAVE* the manpower.

Gurdur · 04-16-2003, 04:23 PM

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Originally posted by Loren Pechtel

I don't think we *HAVE* the manpower.

Then you shouldn't have invaded Iraq the way you did.

04-16-2003, 11:59 AM	#36
RawData Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Puget Sound, WA, US Posts: 1,022	Looting of the 51st state of Iraq Hi all, I do find it dismaying that our military didn't plan for the looting ahead of time (other than at the Oil ministry). Palaces? fine. Government offices? fine (dumb, but fine). Hospitals? We knew where they were. A few soldiers there would have prevented. Museum of antiquities? Same thing. Although as mentioned earlier in this thread, most of that will be re-distributed (See WWII). Libraries??? Not only looted, but burned. Not much re-distribution there! The national guard has been used many times in the good ol' USA to quell looting. Why not in Iraq? You got some 'spainin to do Rumsy! RD:banghead:

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Answerer Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Singapore Posts: 3,956	Seriously, sicne the US could spared some soldiers to guard their precious oil, why can't they do the same for hospital, stores, etc? They have over 200000 people in Iraq, can't they do anything about the looting(and they don't have to risk their lives)?

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Loren Pechtel Obsessed Contributor Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Not Mayaned Posts: 96,752	Something from NPR on this: There's not a lot the soldiers can do. They've gone as far as warning shots and it's not enough--the looters are back within minutes. About the only way to stop the looting would be to shoot the looters. Want to see that?!

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