NightWatchman

Hi, as ive read these threads over time, it always becomes evident that there are so many misinformed people concerning ancient texts and myths. Theres a never ending stream of discussions on the validity of religion and the bible, is the Bible true, does a God really exist, did he kill all those people and tribes in the old testament. What does it all mean.

First of all in religious terms i guess i would be considered an athiest, because i dont believe in religion or what religion teaches, on the other hand ive studied the Bible, Quran, and other religions for twenty years or so, and some interesting conclusions can be drawn.

The Bible holds great truths for those that understand how to read it, the bible is a psychology book, a book of cosmolgy and astronomy, and most of it is non-literal. Its all mystical, it is a coded book, meant for the initiated.

Proof of this is in the Bible texts themselves.

In the old testament it says, dont be a minister of the letter, understand the DARK sayings of old, all things which are an allegory, I the lord speak inparables.
in the new testament it says, concerning the mythological character Jesus, In a parable he spake to them not, in other words every statement in the new testament by this jesus is a parable. And paul said let us not be able ministers of the LETTER

Now what are allegories, dark sayings, and parables?

First understand that the word letter means literal, dont take this stuff literally, it means something else, if you refuse to do as the bible says and read the scriptures literally, they bring death in a spiritual sense, because you will not understand the message.

It clearly says dont be a minister of the LETTER (literal).


So then what is this book all about, what do the stories and verses really mean? If you can first realize by the above statement that the book is a book of coded words and symbols, then we can begin to understand what it is trying to say.



The bible is a greek documnet, it is a myth, but as joseph campbell said, all myths are tribal truths. Read any joseph campbell book, and you will be enlightened.

It is not a religious book in fact it was composed and written before any christianity or religion existed. By pagans, my favorite people. Constantine figured out he could use the techings given man kind by pagans, ancient greeks to control people, just omit certain books and wala, we can control the masses.

If you read the bible and other ancient myths literally, we miss the point, we will not gain the widom that these ancient shhephearders gave us.


If you take the bible litreally, you see that axe heads float on water, donkeys talk, evangilists live in fish. You will be faced with contradiction after cintradiction as everyone fusses over these sayings, dark sayings. Jesus said unless you hate your mother and father you cannot follow me, do you reborn christians here hate your mother and father, marvel not that i come in peace, but bring a sword, mothers bash your babies against rocks, and eat your first borns, and fathers eat your first born sons. Now come on, cant you see these are symbols of sometging else, the bible tells us that they are.

so what do they mean?


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Tercel

That's great, but I've just got one question: When reading the Joseph Campbell book, are we supposed to take that literally, or as allegory?

NightWatchman

theres one in every bunch.

i would take it literally unless instructed otherwise.

lunachick

I've never read the Bible, but understand (mostly) the symbology in the tarot. I'm also a lover of the arts. I'd love to further understand some of the symbolism in old art and literature. It is for this reason only that I would be interested in the Bible - just as I am interested in the symbology of the tora, kibbalah, the Book of the Law, the Book of Lies, the Book of Thoth and various eastern and western mythologies and "wisdoms".

Do you know of any good reference book for the study of the symbols contained in these tomes and how they are represented in the arts - including the 'dark arts'?

Thanks.

NightWatchman

lunachick

A really good book is the metaphysical dictionary it can be found at amazon.com

and another good one is Dictionary of all scriptures and myths by GA Gaskell

Below are samples as how to read the bible scriptures.
some are nasty, thats why children should not read this stuff.




1. "...thou hast put off my sackcloth, and girded me with gladness;" Psalms 30:11

Sackcloth represents the poor. In this case the spirit is poor. The person is down. God has provided a new spirit and the depression is lifted.




2. "There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys, an whose emission was like that of horses." Ezekiel 23:20

"She" is the mind. The mind lusts after the lower physical things. The genitals represent life, creation, origins. The geneitals of the lower are brutish and stubborn (donkey). They are the kinds of thoughts that will not follow the higher. They stay where they are. The emission means the seed that enters "her". Its life is brutish and stubborn but its origin is the horse which is the carrier to heaven. The horse is always used to transport the Gods to heaven, like Pegasus. The heaven however is the mind that is controlled by the stubborn brutish nature. The combination of the two is a person who is very stubborn and brutish but takes charge and directs things from the lower or physicl nature.




3. "Fair Babylon, you destroyer happy those who pay you back the evil you have done us! Happy is he who siezes your babies and dashes them against the rocks." Psalm 137:8-9

Babylon is the lower mind which is filled with attraction to the physical. It is not spiritual at all. To seize the minds babies is to cut off the new thoughts. The ideas and concepts that are born out of the lower mind are considered babies and to dash them against the rocks is to destroy the misguided new thoughts and concepts through the spirit which is steady. The Bible refers to it as the rock of salvation and the old song is called Rock of Ages.




4. "And Jacob said to Rebekah his mother, Behold, Esau my brother is a hairy man, and I am a smooth man:" Gen 27:11

Hair that grows out of the body can mean either the Spirit or the physical senses which must be cut away. It depends on the sect. Some cut their hair such as Buddhists because to them hair symbolizes thoughts from the lower mind. Others let their hair grow (Islam) because it represents spirit. Here Esau who is the culprit in the story has hair which means lower thoughts while Jacob is of the spirit without lower thoughts growing from him.




5. "Let her be as the loving hind and pleasant roe; let her breasts satisfy thee at all times" Proverbs 5:19

Her means the higher spirit. The inner light. Hind and Roe are deer which are symbols of a closeness to nature and a leaping toward the higher nature. The breasts provide milk which is spiritual food. Understanding , enlightenment. Thus the proverb says to allow the mind to commune with nature reaching up to the higher and feed on the milk or understanding that comes forth from the new mind.




6. "Behold, I will corrupt your seed, and spread dung upon your faces, even the dung of your solemn feasts; and one shall take you away with it." Malachi 2:3

The lower mind which turns to the physical will suffer from the very things that come out of it. The face is a symbol of intellect and here we see that the dung is spread upon the face. The very things that have come out of the lower mind are used to cover it and thus which it trys to portray as truth is revealed as non truth.
The solemn feasts are the religious ceremonies which are man made. They have no connection with the true light. The bring forth rules and doctrines but this is saying they will be returned to cover the giver with sadness and the mind of the giver will be overwhelmed and taken away by the very lies that it brings forth.




its all mind stuff, teaching us to raise our consciousness, and quit allowing our EGO to control our life. You can see the result of EGO (satan) by all the wars, poverty etc.

Ill give more samples of scripture interpretation if you want.


Night watchman

NightWatchman

shalt not suffer a witch to live



Its all symbolic, like all scriptures, but when taken literally was responsible for 1000s of beautiful women to be killed by religion, who doesnt have any idea how to read ancient scriptures. Besides they wanted the withes land and money, so used the bible verse as open invitation to kill them.


do not suffer a witch to live really means

a with is a symbol of your lower nature, as it tries to keep you from obtaining a higher consciousness, by her magical and wise ways. So to kill the witch, simply means to overcome your lower nature, and rise up to the higher. its all mind stuff. lower vs higher thoughts. the bible always uses women and first borns and such as symbols of the lower nature.


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Marduk

Good post! I'm a Campbell fan to. I really liked "The Power of Myth" but I often wonder about some of the older stuff. Did the original writers really intend this or are we doing it ourselves after a long exposure to Eastern and Greek philosophy?

NightWatchman

marduck, im not quite sure of your question, but i have been shown that this is all greek mythology, and as synchronous event, there is a new computer game, titled greek mythology is now upon us.


is this being exposed as a message to us, to undestand the myths, for they will free us. I think so.

Revelations in the bible says an angel will appear and show you new things in the heavens never seen before.

An article in newsweek a few years ago, said that a new telescope being built in arizona, will reveal new things in the heavens never seen before. and the projects directors name is Roger Angel. you can type his namr in google and see for yourself.



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philechat

I am a symbolist myself. I believe people tends to take certain objects/ideas with stronger emotional convictions because it represents certain natural (I don't regard it as supernatural) needs and impulses. Therefore, those objects in part reflects some philosophical ideas the primitive people wants to represent, but found no abstract terms to represent as in the modern world. The ancient rituals and arts also seems to point to the same direction as many religious texts.

NightWatchman

heres the exact verses that show the bible is to be read symbolically

1:6 To understand a proverb, and the interpretation; the words of the wise, and their dark sayings.

Galatians 4:24 Which things are an allegory: Remember that as we showed the definition of a myth, it included the term allegory. Here again the Bible tells us it is symbolic.


Mark 4:11 And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables: Here the fact that this is all consciousness is made clear. It says to know the mystery of the Kingdom of God. Where is the Kingdom of God ? .

(Luke 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.) The statement concludes by saying that "unto them that are without". Outside of the meditative state. Outside of the inner realm of consciousness where exists the Kingdom of God..


2Corinthians 3:6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life. So here is the Bible itself telling us not to take it literally.


Matthew 13:34 All these things spake Jesus unto the multitude in parables; and without a parable spake he not unto them: The Bible is saying that all of Jesus statements were symbolic

Psalm 78:2 I will open my mouth in a parable: I will utter dark sayings of old: Here the Bible states that GOD speaks in parables . And what are dark sayings of old. Obviously they are symbolic statements.



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