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gilly54 · 08-22-2002, 10:15 PM

Just got back from the Atheists of Silicon Valley meeting of which Dr. Newdow was a panelist. When he went ot the podium, the audience gave him a long,loud, standing ovation.

The other panel members were a rep from AA, a Presbyterian, a member of Valley Bible Church, and an Ananda Sanghan, a religion that is theist, but incorporates meditation, self introspection, and possibly crystals.(Just kidding.)

While the theists went off on tangents, especially the Bible guy, Dr. Newdow and Dave Kong,(the AA rep) kept their answers on point which was: Get the government out of the religion business.

Newdow said things have happened that strengthen his case. He said a citizen can't sue Congress. But when the Congress butted into his lawsuit with their SR292, now he can! Also, the fact that the ex-wife has brought Christianity into it(she is now called an 'intervenor'), the argument that "under God" is simply ceremonial deism or not really a religious proclamation has been rendered useless. He mentioned that you can read all the 'dicta' and papers pertaining to this case on his website at <a href="http://www.restorethepledge.com." target="_blank">http://www.restorethepledge.com.</a>

Gilly

bleubird · 08-23-2002, 12:13 AM

Greetings.I live in juneau.I heard That the judge from the great state of alabama who placed the 10 commandments in HIS courthouse will be a speaker on a cruise ship comming to my home town.Can anyone help me find the link?

Toto · 08-23-2002, 12:27 AM

<a href="http://www.au.org/press/pr021302.htm" target="_blank">Americans United Press Release</a>

<a href="http://www.gadsdentimes.com/news/stories/4053newsstorypage.html" target="_blank">News Story</a>

The brochure for the cruise was on line, but is no more. You can find it in the cache in google:

<a href="http://216.239.51.100/search?q=cache:VBPscATKwTUC:www.inspirationcruises .com/Alaska_Cruises/D__James_Kennedy/d__james_kennedy.html+Alaska+Cruise+Roy+Moore&hl=e n&ie=UTF-8" target="_blank">here</a>

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bleubird · 08-23-2002, 01:37 AM

Thank you toto.
I would love to show up at the dock with a few like minds. Any alaskan free thinkers going to be in juneau next week?

Grumpy · 08-23-2002, 12:42 PM

I'm sure Juneau can take care of itself. It's politically left-leaning (government workers, y'know), so I imagine there are enough freethinkers to give Judge Roy a friendly welcome.

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Originally posted by gilly54:
<strong>Also, the fact that the ex-wife has brought Christianity into it(she is now called an 'intervenor'), the argument that "under God" is simply ceremonial deism or not really a religious proclamation has been rendered useless. </strong>

Technically, she's not his ex-wife, because they never married. Still, I've been thinking ever since she came forward that something was amiss with her case. She said at the time that the girl was a Christian and didn't mind saying the pledge. But why, we must ask, would being Christian matter if the Pledge is a purely secular utterance?

I'm still uncertain about Newdow's standing, but it's possible that enough "rope" has been uncoiled that his opponents -- though they may be growing in number -- might hang themselves.

08-22-2002, 10:15 PM	#1
gilly54 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: New Almaden, California Posts: 917	Newdow spoke at atheist meeting tonight in SJ Just got back from the Atheists of Silicon Valley meeting of which Dr. Newdow was a panelist. When he went ot the podium, the audience gave him a long,loud, standing ovation. The other panel members were a rep from AA, a Presbyterian, a member of Valley Bible Church, and an Ananda Sanghan, a religion that is theist, but incorporates meditation, self introspection, and possibly crystals.(Just kidding.) While the theists went off on tangents, especially the Bible guy, Dr. Newdow and Dave Kong,(the AA rep) kept their answers on point which was: Get the government out of the religion business. Newdow said things have happened that strengthen his case. He said a citizen can't sue Congress. But when the Congress butted into his lawsuit with their SR292, now he can! Also, the fact that the ex-wife has brought Christianity into it(she is now called an 'intervenor'), the argument that "under God" is simply ceremonial deism or not really a religious proclamation has been rendered useless. He mentioned that you can read all the 'dicta' and papers pertaining to this case on his website at <a href="http://www.restorethepledge.com." target="_blank">http://www.restorethepledge.com.</a> Gilly

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08-23-2002, 12:13 AM	#2
bleubird Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: alaska Posts: 2,737	Greetings.I live in juneau.I heard That the judge from the great state of alabama who placed the 10 commandments in HIS courthouse will be a speaker on a cruise ship comming to my home town.Can anyone help me find the link?

08-23-2002, 12:27 AM	#3
Toto Contributor Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Los Angeles area Posts: 40,549	<a href="http://www.au.org/press/pr021302.htm" target="_blank">Americans United Press Release</a> <a href="http://www.gadsdentimes.com/news/stories/4053newsstorypage.html" target="_blank">News Story</a> The brochure for the cruise was on line, but is no more. You can find it in the cache in google: <a href="http://216.239.51.100/search?q=cache:VBPscATKwTUC:www.inspirationcruises .com/Alaska_Cruises/D__James_Kennedy/d__james_kennedy.html+Alaska+Cruise+Roy+Moore&hl=e n&ie=UTF-8" target="_blank">here</a> [ August 23, 2002: Message edited by: Toto ]</p>

08-23-2002, 01:37 AM	#4
bleubird Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: alaska Posts: 2,737	Thank you toto. I would love to show up at the dock with a few like minds. Any alaskan free thinkers going to be in juneau next week?

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