Arrowman

In another thread, tgamble pointed us at this site:
<a href="http://christian-internet.com/creation/index.htm" target="_blank">http://christian-internet.com/creation/index.htm</a>
- a truly scary place!

Anyway, I couldn't resist. I followed the "Ask Dr Creation" link and sent them the following (lack of capitalisation and occasional poor spelling was deliberate, for credibility!)

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dear dr creation: theres one thing about the flood that i have trouble arguing with my evolutionst friends. they always claim thyat the sorting of fossils (like, we never dinosaurs below humans etc) shows that there couldnt have been a flood,
because if there had been a flood all ther animals and plants would have been mixed up togerther.

i have heard theres something called hydrologic sorting which can exaplain how the animals and plants were sorted when the flood happened.

can you tell me more about this? i need to arm myself for debates with evolutionists.
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And here is their answer:
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Dear Richard,

The Dr. thanks you for your question.

Hydrologic sorting. A principle based on what one can see happen today, no? But, did it happen that way when nobody but Noah's family was around to observe it? Probably did. Then again, the Noah's didn't get out and start digging either !! ( a little professor humor )

This principle actually supports a world wide flood as described in Genesis.

#1. We do see a mish mash mixed up layering with things buried above what we'd assume them not to be.
#2. As of yet, we haven't found any fossilized human remains from the flood to speak of.

When the flood happened, it was a cataclysmic and devastating event. The bible tells us that the springs broke up the ground, that it rained for 40 days and 40 nights, that it covered even the highest mountains (whatever height that was or became), and we see evidence of volcanic eruptions.

These actions would simply tear things apart, break them, bury them. When we see a small flood today we see all kinds of damage done. Things buried by mud. Mud buried many plants and animals immediately. Some plants and animals likely floated and then got buried. When we see a volcanic eruption today, we see the majority of the eruption containing water and steam. We can see the damage the explosion does. We can see the settling after it is all over.

Think of how the water would have forcefully shifted with strong currents from one location to another as the water subsided over the following 11 months.

This would have destroyed, broke up, and buried plants and animals too. ( course they were dead already)

There is nowhere that the Dr. is aware of, where the 'geologic column' as detailed in science books can be found. That is a composition of thought and portions of geologic column assembled into one neat little diagram.

Evolutionary discoveries consistently present the 'mystery' of layers and fossils not being found where predicted.

Read Genesis 6: 6,7. God clearly tells us He was sorry he made man and that he was going to blot them from the face of the earth. This is what we see in the fossil record no? Further, we do see large deposits of oil and coal which is known today to be formed from water and mud burial of carbon life forms combined with pressure.

The Dr. hopes this will give you confidence in speaking with your friends and that this answers questions in your mind.

Sincerely,
Dr. Creation
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I don't know where to begin. I mean, he's not even coherent. At least Ken Ham and the like make a pretence of a logic and coherence in what they write.

Perhaps I might:
1. Ask him why the absence of human fossils is supposed to be evidence of the flood, and
2. Show him some links that my "evilutionist friends" gave me on the geological column....

....If I can stand it.

I'm sure others will want to play with this guy too - PLEASE be careful, and keep it low key and credible. We don't want him shutting up shop because the evilutionists are conducting a satanic attack.....on the other hand, maybe shutting down "Ask Dr Creation" might just save a few young minds....

DireStraits

I'd join with you in laughing at this clown if it were not for the fact that I hear this sort of thing on Christian radio all the time whenever the subject of evolution comes up. I asked a friend of mine who hapens to be a creationist why the level of discourse was so execrable.

He looked at me and said, "Well, after services, we used to have a questiona and answer session. Any subject was allowed, scientific, political, personal. Never once did the minister say he didn't have the answer, almost never did the answer have much to do with the question, and he always ended with a Bible quote."

This is what we can look forward to if the creationists ever gain control of school boards...

Kevin Dorner

Is Patriot University now offering Doctor Of Creationism degrees for fifty bucks?

Utnapishtim

no.
Yes, over 600-700 years worth of pressure.
My head aches from bashing it on the wall <img src="graemlins/banghead.gif" border="0" alt="[Bang Head]" />

Arrowman

Hey, thanks grond, I get it now. I hadn't put those two phrases together before.

1. "As of yet, we haven't found any fossilized human remains from the flood to speak of"
2. "God clearly tells us He was sorry he made man and that he was going to blot them from the face of the earth. This is what we see in the fossil record no?"

In other words, God let everything but the humans simply die and fossilise; but he "blotted the humans from the face of the earth" by somehow eliminating all human fossils. This is evidence for the flood! All you have to do is assume there was a flood in the first place and then ask where the human fossils are.... Oh, wait.... that's circular reasoning...

Kosh

Thanks for the great laugh Arrow. That was
hilarious, especially after downing and entire
or bottle of wine with the wife for Valentines
day!

"Mish Mash" - look for that in the encyclopedia
of scientific terms!

Bialar Crais

First post in another forum apart from the introduction one. Hope I don't make any big mistakes.

What I'd like to ask Dr Cretin-nut is (if anyone can help me phrase this in a, hmm, less obvious way):

Obivously (from their *coughbscough* 'information') they're YECs holding the "no *new* *useful* genetic information has ever formed from random mutations" position. And not to be forgotten they're Floodists as well.

So, about 4K years ago, there was only 8 people left in the whole word, and they were all aboard this big boat. Meaning that any gene could at most have 16 alleles (forgive me if my wording is off here, can only blame beeing Swede and non-biologist ). With no new informatiuon *ever* arising from mutations, how come a lot of genes have hundreds of alleles today?

pug846

I had asked, Why did God create Ebola?
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Dear Doug,

The Dr. thanks you for your question. It is unlikely God created ebola. The bible tells us that God loves us, he wants everyone to spend eternity with him, that he is not trying to kill his creations or his children. The bible tells us Satan is, and sin does.

Explanation beyond this gets into the bigger picture of why there is sin, why man sinned, etc. etc. This is beyond the Dr.'s efforts to answer questions on creation.

Sincerely,
Dr. Creation

bluefugue

But Dr. Creation, didn't God create Satan?

notto

Dear Doctor Creation,

Do you have a real doctorate degree or is it a fabrication from a diploma mill or an honorary degree from a religion school like these guys:

Thomas Barnes
Carl Baugh
Clifford Burdick
Kent Hovind
Don Patton

Just Wondering,

Curious