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Old 07-29-2003, 04:33 PM   #121
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More specifically, it would prove Evil if a deity wanted it, Incompetence if a deity could not avoid it, or Irrelevance if a deity could do nothing about it.
There is no way to question this deity you speak of, therefore Evil is not a rational choice. There is no way of showing the deity could not avoid it which also renders this choice irrational.

There is no rational questionable way of surmising whether the deity could do nothing about it, which also renders this argument futile.

However we do know through experience the deity would do nothing about it. This conclusion is not on you list. To argue the real difference between could and would, entails a deep relationship with the deity of yours, a relationship which includes passing of information between deity and individual, and the assimulation of this information by the individual. None of this is available.

This leaves you in rather a precarious position, constructing an argument and concluding with choices which are not substantially knowable. This entails a conclusion which is unreachable, by any modern standpoint of information gathering. This is implication in absentia. omniGOD cannot answer therefore (hammer falls) found guilty by disassociation.

To be rational my suggestion would be to change one of the choices, drop the other two and keep the fourth. The changed conclusion should therefore read, the deity would do nothing about it therefore this implicates the diety with Irrelevance.. The fourth would be the deity does not exist.
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Howard : Absolute free will denies free will. Free will exists until it is denied. When free will is denied omniGOD is exercising free will.
Works for me. You sure you're not a disciple of Amos?
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There is no way to question this deity you speak of, therefore Evil is not a rational choice.
Of course it is. That you cannot question him is irrelevant. The possibility exists that the deity wants and even enjoys the child's suffering which renders him Evil

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There is no way of showing the deity could not avoid it which also renders this choice irrational.
which would lead one, if true, to the possible answer of Incompetent and/or Irrelevant

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There is no rational questionable way of surmising whether the deity could do nothing about it, which also renders this argument futile.
No, it merely makes, perhaps, deciding between the Five Choices [All Rights Reserved.--Ed.] difficult. On the contrary of futile, it demonstrates that you have no other logical choices.

Quod erat demonstrandum times nine.

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However we do know through experience the deity would do nothing about it . This conclusion is not on you list.
On the contrary, he did nothing because he was Evil or Incompetent or Irrelevant or some Combination of the three.

Quod erat demonstrandum times ten.

What follows is an irrelevant complaint concerning the difficulty with choosing between the Five Choices [Pat. Pend.--Ed.]

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This leaves you in rather a precarious position, . . .
That remains your error.

Similar complaint about the difficulting in making a choice follows.

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To be rational my suggestion would be to change one of the choices, . . .
It is irrational and dishonest to change the logical conclusions without logical basis.

The next complain neglect the possibility that her deity may want and even enjoy the suffering of the child which will render him Evil.

Next
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Exercise caution when you drive. Rumor has it that "red" has been declared "green."

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Exercise caution when you drive. Rumor has it that "red" has been declared "green."
--J.D.
Thank God. I thought I was in Bizzaro world again.

You are a man of uncommon patience... or an incurable masochist.
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Funny . . . someone acussed me of being a sadist for these responses. . . .

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If we "can't be sure" that this wasn't God's way of ending the girl's pain- and we can't, of course- then we are equally unsure that God didn't see a "gentle fun loving girl child" suffering through all the inaction on Earth, and decided they are torturing her for a while... until he got fed up, and just took her away from the ineptitude of Earthlings.
So the girl acquired a painful terminal disease because of "inaction on Earth?" Huh?

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Wha-at?
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Funny . . . someone acussed me of being a sadist for these responses. . . .
Except that the spankee has no idea that they are being spanked. That my friends is even more satisfying IMHO.

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Sophist, I have belatedly realized that you have no idea what Dr.X is referring to in most of his posts. Perhaps this link will clarify some of the terms, you know the terms you call; "those big word phrases."

http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/
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Of course it is. That you cannot question him is irrelevant.
This is patent nonsense.

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It is irrational and dishonest to change the logical conclusions without logical basis
It is also irrational and dishonest to make logical conclusions without fully understanding the reasons under which one constructs those premises. The only thing valid on your argument is the nice sweet gentle little angelic girl who is dying of an awful disease.

If you continue to believe your logical premising is correct, good for you. However I have dismissed it as subjective jibbering, based on the arguments I have provided. If the argument I have not provided is unsuitable in your mind because you are unable to accept this argument, then good for you. yeh.

Next foolish OMNIgod bashing being...

please

Sophie

ps. How about one of those ones where omniGOD creates something sooo heavy that...
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King Rat : English and French is nearlly enough to_occupy my time. Some dead language used to flabbergast others is a total waste of good time.
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