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Old 11-03-2002, 05:40 PM   #11
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Quote:
Originally posted by Amen-Moses:
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I'm sorry but a gram of matter is a gram of matter wherever it may be. You could be referring to the increase in mass due to acceleration to speeds close to that of light but then it would no longer be a gram of matter!

Amen-Moses</strong>
TO AMEN MOSES

forgive the grammar problem here
perhaps what i was trying to say is
the mass of a teaspoon of matter
in the super black hole
is the equivalent of the mass of
a million of our sun

does that sound better?
hope so

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Old 11-03-2002, 05:41 PM   #12
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<strong>Also, there are a hell of a lot more than 800 estimated galaxies.</strong>
to godless dave

forgive again the typo
i must be too much in a hurry
doing this on my coffee break

it should read '800 billion'
instead of '800'

thanks for noting it

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Old 11-03-2002, 05:44 PM   #13
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I think its about 100 000 000 000 with 100 000 000 000 stars each (a little uprounded but easy to remember). </strong>
Which is only an estimate given a singular Big bang event. A self reproducing universe theory such as Linde's would mean the unvierse (meaning everything) could be so much larger than we could even fathom.
Not to mention eternal.

Though eternal is meaningless as either a theistic or athestic arguement.

[ November 03, 2002: Message edited by: Liquidrage ]</p>
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Old 11-03-2002, 05:44 PM   #14
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<strong>redstar: very prosaic, but a non sequitur.

I fail to see how you can move from supermassive collapsars to a designed universe. Can you elucidate?</strong>
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i cannot attempt to elucidate
on the design of the universe

i merely pointed out the news
of the discovery
and that the theory
is that this super blackhole
controls the orbit
of 800 billion stars in its
galactic grip

thats all nothing more

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Old 11-03-2002, 05:46 PM   #15
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<strong>It is very well explained how black holes come to exist.
They were predicted (by Science not the Bible) long before they were even observed.
So to cite a black hole in defense of religion is really not a particularly clever appraoch.

PS: redstar, according to your profile you are a radical catholic - that sounds interesting, could you elaborate on that some time?

[ October 30, 2002: Message edited by: Sheep in the big city ]</strong>

to sheep in the city

a am a catholic and hold in faith
its teachings, or part of its teachings
but i do not necessarily agree
with everything it says or teaches
in that sense i am a 'radical'

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Old 11-03-2002, 05:57 PM   #16
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Are you viewing this at like 40x30 resolution or something?

I double dog dare you to go at least 40 characters before forcing a line break.
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Old 11-03-2002, 06:39 PM   #17
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The black hole at the center of our galaxy has been a pretty sure bet for some years now - this latest datum just makes it more certain that it is a BH and not something masquerading as one. And it is not at all an exceptional one - most (or all?) respectable large galaxies have them, often far, far bigger than ours. They appear to be the standard outcome when you collapse a disk of gas that weighs 10^11 solar masses - what Being are you referring to? The Gravity Enforcer?
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Old 11-04-2002, 07:49 AM   #18
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furthermore
there must be a Being
that is orchestrating all this
it could perhaps not just come about</strong>
Whenever anything turns up which looks a bit new and surprising the theists try and say its intelligent design. Why should it be?
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Old 11-04-2002, 08:51 AM   #19
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<strong>Whenever anything turns up which looks a bit new and surprising the theists try and say its intelligent design.</strong>
Or, in this case, when something turns up that is rather old hat and not suprising at all, except perhaps to someone who has not been paying any attention to developments in astrophysics for the past few decades, the theists try and say it's intelligent design.

By a deity who is especially fond of supermassive black holes, it seems.

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I never knew that E.E. Cummings was interested in galaxies and black holes.
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