ExAtheist

I herein make a challenge to atheists or any nonbeliever in the true God: Use reason and logic or any principle upon which atheism is based to properly and intelligently define true Christianity and fake "christianity". Remeber, the real and fake exists in every realm of human existence, but atheists fail to make this distinction when it comes to Christianity. I have yet to meet or read of an atheist who can correctly meet this challenge.<a href="http://www.tencommandments.org" target="_blank">Society for the TEN COMMANDMENTS</a> rtlee@tencommandment.org

Vorkosigan

RTLee, "true" and "false" are values, not facts. Why don't you give us a list of things you consider charateristic of "true" Christianity, and we'll pick a denomination that agrees with that, and everyone will be happy.

Vorkosigan

ex-preacher

The problem with defining true or fake Christianity is that every Christian has his/her own definition of true Christianity. Every brand of Christianity, by definition, labels itslef as true and all other versions as false. The confusion is rooted in the Bible itself since it contains multiple contradictory definitions of "true disciples."

Before I give my definition, would you please define the following for me:

1. A true humanist and a fake humanist.

2. A true Muslim and a fake Muslim.

3. A True Buddhist and a fake Buddhist.

4. A true Hindu and a fake Hindu.

5. A true Wiccan and a fake Wiccan.

Thanks!

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Here's a tidbit from our friend's bizarre site:

The best way to understand the nature of atheism is to understand its author. satan is its author.

It's important to remain conscious of the fact that satan had his origin in heaven, and is thoroughly familiar with the fact of the existence of God, heaven, the angels, hell and etc. Thus atheism is properly defined as a denial of the existence of God in the midst of full knowledge that God does indeed exist. Atheism knows God exists, it is quite familiar with that fact, but it says "under no circumstance or situation will I admit to God's existence."

Atheism clearly perceives the fingerprints of God on all of creation, but refuses to admit He is the Creator. Atheism perceives the divine authorship of the TEN COMMANDMENTS, but refuses to admit that God is their Author. Atheism perceives the decorousness and perfection of the TEN COMMANDMENTS, but refuses to admit they are superior to all other laws. Atheism clearly perceives the divinity of the Lord Jesus Christ, but refuses to admit His divinity. If an atheist could see the wounds in the body of Christ and actually feel them with his hands, he would deny that the wounds are there. Atheism is deliberate effort to never admit the truth about God.

Atheism is the ultimate of satanism. Ask satan does God exist and he will deny it. Ask him does satan exist and he will deny his own existence even while in your presence. Atheism holds the Bible in one hand, but deny its existence by denying its truth with the other.

SharonDee

Ah yes... nothing says ignorance like lying about your opposition. Good show, Liar-for-Jesus.

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ex-preacher

I've read the Bible several times and I'm completely unaware of any passage where Satan denies the existence of God. In fact, Satan and God are portrayed as chums in Job 1-2. James says that the demons believe in God. Also, where does Satan deny his own existence? Weird.

Based on ex-atheist's ignorance and/or deliberate twisting of Scripture, I have no alternative but to conclude he is not a true Christian.

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ManM

ExAtheist,
I dare say it is not the atheist's job to define what you believe.

sidewinder

Which "true God" are you referring to? Allah? Yahweh (the God of the Hebrew Scriptures)? The "true God" of one of the thousands of Christian denominations?

Why would I want to do this? If you want to waste your brief life engaging in such nonsense, by all means go for it. In any case, there are numerous interpretations within the Christian religion of what "true Christianity" is. I suppose all of these interpretations are wrong, except for the your interpretation.

Again, which of the hundreds or thousands of versions of "true Christianity" are you talking about?

Bill Snedden

This doesn't seem to me to fit in the Philosophy forum. I'm therefore moving it to <a href="http://iidb.org/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=47&t=000412" target="_blank">Rants, Raves, Preaching, etc.</a> where, judging from the poster's recommended web site, it truly belongs...

Bill

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