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Shpongle · 08-01-2003, 12:35 PM

http://www.drdino.com/cse.asp?pg=articles&specific=77

Of course, Hovind doesn't so much as respond as simply post responses he has gotten via email.

But it's still funny that he starts out as saying,

"Since I have no desire to get into a spitting contest over issues that are so minor in the grand scheme of God�s work and there are much bigger fish to fry, I have not responded to their article but scores of others have."

And ends with,

"I still believe my answers in my FAQ were right and would be glad to discuss them with anyone."

Of course, the funniest part was definitely, "I also want to maintain creationist integrity and work hard to do so."

Novowels · 08-01-2003, 03:27 PM

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from one of the letters:
Come on Brother Hovind. You had to do something to get Sarfati so riled up and looking for blood (I got into a lengthy internet debate with Sarfati over the King James Version. His arguments were childish, missed the point, were mean spirited and arrogant)... ...I wrote them regarding their article against you and received another very snotty response from Sarfati.

I haven't the words.

MrDarwin · 08-01-2003, 06:58 PM

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Of course, the funniest part was definitely, "I also want to maintain creationist integrity and work hard to do so."

Hmmm, I wonder if anybody has asked him about the petrified dog yet?

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This four year old hound was found 20 feet up inside this chestnut oak. He must have gotten trapped chasing something. He turned to stone in only a few years.

Valentine Pontifex · 08-01-2003, 09:12 PM

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from one of the letters:
Come on Brother Hovind. You had to do something to get Sarfati so riled up and looking for blood (I got into a lengthy internet debate with Sarfati over the King James Version. His arguments were childish, missed the point, were mean spirited and arrogant)... ...I wrote them regarding their article against you and received another very snotty response from Sarfati.

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Novowels replied
I haven't the words.

Well this segment is true as far as it goes. Sarfati is childish, mean-spirited, arrogant, etc. It should not be surprising that that he expresses this to Hovind as well as to "evolutionists."

Of course Sarfati is correct that certain Hovind arguments are wrong. Of course Sarfati would be even more accurate to say that virtually every word Hovind says is wrong and that AiG's track record is nothing to brag about either.

The letters are probably right about the financial component to AiG's attack on Hovind. Add a bit of power and leadership of the movement as well. And to be fair they realize that having a well known YEC making argments that bright 8 year-olds can see though does not help their cause in the long term. The letters obviously do not point that out or Hovind would not have published them.

EvilPoet · 08-01-2003, 11:31 PM

Silly creationist, fairy tales are for kids!

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I am convinced that the Bible is the Word of God and is correct as it is written. Any person of average intelligence can read it and understand it without needing some guru to interpret it for them. Cults get started that way. I also want students taught the truth and I am convinced that evolution is a lie that originated with Satan, and stand prepared to defend the Bible against all others. Source: http://www.drdino.com/cse.asp?pg=articles&specific=67

JaeIsGod · 08-02-2003, 12:45 PM

I think Hovind is full of it. Abusing the poor education system to gain cash/fame..

ex-xian · 08-02-2003, 01:39 PM

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Originally posted by MrDarwin
Hmmm, I wonder if anybody has asked him about the petrified dog yet?

I'm not up on geology...there is a difference between petrification and fossilization, right?

Duvenoy · 08-02-2003, 01:41 PM

Hmm. Not a good title for this thread, methinks. As far as Hovind (and others who's names are familiar to all) is concerned, "Creationist Intregrity" is a contradicition in terms.

doov

Veovis · 08-02-2003, 02:02 PM

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Ichthyosaur Birth

This picture shows a fossilized fish as it is giving birth. Obviously it does not take millions of years to give birth!

Would somebody please tell this man that the Icthyosaur is NOT a fish, it is a reptile.

Anyhow, how does his statement advance his position? The Icthyosaur and her baby died while the mother was giving birth, they get buried, and fossilized. Honestly, did this Hovind character even graduate high school?

NZAmoeba · 08-02-2003, 08:29 PM

wow, if he thinks fossilization happens that suddenly he must think people just immediately turn into stone all the time....

08-01-2003, 12:35 PM	#1
Shpongle Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Frozen North Posts: 9,920	Hovind's response to AIG's "Maintaining Creationist Integrity" http://www.drdino.com/cse.asp?pg=articles&specific=77 Of course, Hovind doesn't so much as respond as simply post responses he has gotten via email. But it's still funny that he starts out as saying, "Since I have no desire to get into a spitting contest over issues that are so minor in the grand scheme of God�s work and there are much bigger fish to fry, I have not responded to their article but scores of others have." And ends with, "I still believe my answers in my FAQ were right and would be glad to discuss them with anyone." Of course, the funniest part was definitely, "I also want to maintain creationist integrity and work hard to do so."

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JaeIsGod Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Netherlands Posts: 760	I think Hovind is full of it. Abusing the poor education system to gain cash/fame..

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Duvenoy Veteran Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Just another hick from the sticks. Posts: 1,108	Hmm. Not a good title for this thread, methinks. As far as Hovind (and others who's names are familiar to all) is concerned, "Creationist Intregrity" is a contradicition in terms. doov

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