St. Robert

Bree,

There is a big difference between knowing truth and being truth. God alone is truth. Man can only know truth by knowing God.

GunnerJ

I don't think the <img src="graemlins/banghead.gif" border="0" alt="[Bang Head]" /> emoticon does justice here. If only there were a : pullinghairoutofheadinfrustration: emoticon... let's take a close look at what you've just written, shall we?

First satement: God makes it easy (ridiculously so, in fact) for people get into heaven.

Second statement: It's not actually easy for people to get into heaven.

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Do you think that simply restating these contradictory statements makes the contradictions disapear?

Kids, rememebr, JUST SAY "NO" TO RELIGION! This could happen to you.

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Copernic

St. Bob, lets apply this to the subject line that brought us here.

Is it easy for said Eskimo, to get to Heaven ...and how?

The thin man

St. Robert
So, how about someone such as my son who is severly mentally handicapped? He has no reasoning ability, is non-verbal, and has absolutly no clue about religion of any flavor. Since he cannot accept crist or follow him, is he destined for hell? If he isn't, why not the same for the rest of us?

Eudaimonist

I think you must have meant "ridiculously simple", not "easy", since you say that one might find it difficult to live according to a more challenging moral standard. Okay. Adjusting one's life for the better is difficult, but possible.

But what you mention is impossible for at least some people.

Imagine the following:

Someone tells you that in order to live forever, you must firmly believe the Moon is made of green cheese. (Let's even say that he is right about this incredible claim, and has the documentation to prove that he is thousands of years old.)

Could you do this? Could you force your mind to honestly believe the Moon is made of green cheese, and pass a lie detector test with flying colors?

I couldn't. Indeed, I think this might be impossible for me. Likewise with believing in a divine Jesus.

Eudaimonist

Which means that God is Unjust admitting anyone.

No one is deserving of eternal torment either. Everyone falls short of deserving endless punishment.

I'll tell you. Giving people what they actually deserve, not a prize or a punishment they don't deserve.

St. Robert

Rimstalker,

My comments were paradoxical, not contradictory.


Eudaimonist,

Yes, 'simple' would have been a better word to use.


The thin man,

God is not cruel. He is merciful, loving and just. If your son is unable to accept Christ, he is also unable to reject Christ. Jesus will be his advocate.

Eudaimonist

Any other comments other than the correction of word choice?

GunnerJ

Nice cop-out. But mystical mumbo jumbo about how both x and ~x can be true at the same time do not impress me, or make you sound like some enlightened guru. It just makes your religion look looney. It is interesting though, that you say,

Um, then it wouldn't be a paradoxical statement, it would be a poorly phrased statement. I mean, if you're trying to talk out of two mouths, at least have the dencency to not insult my, and everyone else's, intelligence by doing it in one post!

Or is this another "paradox?"

The thin man

Is this the same god who forbids the handicapped from entering the temple? (Leviticus 21:16-23) Don't you think he may not want the handicapped in heaven if he won't even let them into the temple?

You state that Jesus will speak for my son. All this is is a warm fuzzy to make you feel better, when the book you use says otherwise.